Gene:  If you believe God the Father called Jesus a God, then God the Father would  be contradicting his very own words… BESIDES ME, THERE IS “NO” GOD. 

1 Kings 11:33…  I will do this because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Molek the god of the Ammonites, and have…[Read more]

Adam: For Sis Kathi….

Understanding Hebrews 1:10-12 (Matthew Janzen, Revised 2015)…

That was a very good read, Adam… thanks.

1.  I really liked the suggestion of just using parentheses around 10-12.

2.  I’m happy that Kathi now knows the quote came from the LXX – which didn’t use the tetragrammaton “YHWH”.  This means that even if she insis…[Read more]

LU:  I think that Thomas referring to Jesus as the God of himself and the Lord of himself agrees perfectly with what the Father calls the Son in Hebrews 1, YHVH who laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of the Son’s hands…  The Son with a Father and their Spirit is a package deal.

And just that fast, immediately back to…[Read more]

LU:  Interesting that Adam’s post does not mention the term “redemption” or “redeem” or “firstborn” yet to celebrate the Passover Moses writes this:

12you shall devote to the LORD every firstborn of a womb… every firstborn among your sons you shall redeem. 14And it shall be when your son asks you in time to come, saying, ‘What is this?’ then y…

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Mike: Okay Carmel, I just asked Jesus in his own name if he is God – or the holy servant of God.  Jesus told me to read the scriptures, where it’s abundantly clear that he can’t very well BE his and our God if he is the son, servant, prophet, spokesman, priest, messiah, holy one, angel, first creation, and sacrificial lamb OF his and our God.

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LU:  Notice the definite article where Thomas says “the Lord of me and the God of me” in the interlinear below. He is referring to Jesus, btw.

2 Cor 4:4… The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers…

Notice the definite article here.  He is referring to Satan btw.

Carmel: WHEN WE SAY:

GOD IS BIGGER THAN THE SON…
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

SINCE WE DON’T KNOW WHAT GOD IS!

This is a tactic that has been used by Trinitarians for centuries.  They fully understand that the Bible doesn’t support their doctrine, and so they have no choice but to claim that God is a Trinity – but it’s beyond the under…[Read more]

Berean:  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person,

DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ACCORDING TO HEBREWS EXCEPT THE SON OF GOD?

I don’t.  Do you know someone who IS the very entity that he is the son OF?

LU:  Then Israel is not a collective noun because God refers to Israel with the singular pronouns of him and he and the singular noun firstborn son.

That is poetic language – like when people refer to a ship as a “she”.  Is it your claim that every time every single one of the authors of scripture refer to God as a “he/him”, they are all using t…[Read more]

Proclaimer:

Father

Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Jesus / Word

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Men / Judges

Jesus answered them, “Is it not w…

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Berean: The bible Say  That the son OF God IS “THEOS “AND THAT THE FATHER IS “THE THEOS” (JOHN 1)

The Son IS “THEOS” BECAUSE HE IS THE OWN SON OF GOD( THE THEOS)

The Bible also says that Satan is theos…

2 Cor 4:4… The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the g…[Read more]

Mike:  Adam, is your coming messiah, who will be a regular old human being in every possible way, going to live forever?

Adam:  Yes he will not be an old man as you rightly pointed out but he will certainly be a warrior prince. It will be an end time Messianic kingdom where the Israelites will live there forever with their children and gr…

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LU:  I will add that not only did the sonship have a beginning but the fathership would have as well at the same moment…

Dirt was not eternal, it was created. There was a time when dirt was not.

I hope that helps.

There was a time when dirt was not, and there was a time when the firstborn son of God was not – as you yourself have acknowledged…[Read more]

LU:  Not applicable since God is spirit, not a spirit.

God is a person, an entity.  Since He is qualitatively spirit, he is, by definition, a spirit.  Just like one who is qualitatively canine is a dog, one who is qualitatively feline is a cat, one who is qualitatively homo sapien is a man, and one who is qualitatively deus is a god.

John 4:24 Ki…[Read more]

LU:  The Bible does not say that we “inherit” divine nature. We will share in divine nature meaning we will put on the righteousness of Christ and change from being corruptible to incorruptible.

2 Peter 1:4… you may become (1)partakers of the (2)divine (3)nature

1) a sharer, partner

2) deity

3) genus, nature

It means some of us will shar…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  The fourth gospel says that the Word was divine. There is no definite article in the last mention of theos.

The lack of definite article says the logos was a god – not that he was “divine”.  John 1:1 tells of someone called the logos who was with THE god, and was himself a god (but not THE god he was with).

Berean:  His sonship HAD a BEGINNING but not His DIVINE NATURE WHICH HAD NO BEGINNING AND NO END.

LU:  Amen Berean

When the elect partake in the divine nature shared by Jesus and his God, will they all of a sudden become people who had no beginning or no end?  Or will they remain people who did once have a beginning?

If it is the latter, then it…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  If the Son was not first then who was the first to be with God?

This is a very good point that you’ve made here for years.  If we assume that Jesus is God, then there would have to be a very first son that this combo God brought forth into existence, right?  And as ComboGod’s firstborn son, surely we’d be told about him, right?

In th…[Read more]

Carmel:  THERE ARE MANY SCRIPTURES WHICH TO ME AND TO MANY OTHERS, EVEN IN THE OT, THOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED  THE TITLE “GODMAN”

Neither that title nor the idea is mentioned in any scripture.  Jesus was a god in heaven alongside his own God before the world began. Then Jesus was a man on earth.  Now Jesus is a god again who sits at the rig…[Read more]

Mike:  So then “divinity” doesn’t necessarily mean “omniscient”?

 

Berean: You do not understand
Jesus put aside his divine attributes to live the human way
On earth, he received through the Spirit of the Father what he had to say and do and therefore he depended entirely on his Father.

I understand what you said – and agree with it.  But I’…[Read more]