Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 01 2011,21:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,09:51)Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 01 2011,19:15)Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam.Wasn't Adam created on…[Read more]

I'm not going to let you slink away from this, Marty. My DOG was born, and is also a creation of God.So why couldn't Jesus have been born, and also be a creation of his God? You know, he's not only called “the firstborn of every creature”, but he also calls himself “the beginning of the creation by God”.He was begotten, born, created, brought…[Read more]

So long Ed.  I've no time for childish games.  You know full well that I mean the Hebrew tetragrammaton when I write YHWH. Btw, do the four English letters that make up “LORD” look like LORD in the Hebrew texts?

Oh, I see. You are hung up on the words “born/created”?Marty, I was born, but I'm still a creation of my God, right?

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2011,21:03)Hi Mike:But you said that he (Jesus) was the first creature to be created by God. Is this not what you said?That is correct. Why?

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 01 2011,20:29)But the question was how does “firsborn of all creation” translate to “first creature that God created”.And here is the simplistic answer:”Firstborn of every creature” means that out of every creature that ever existed, Jesus was the one who was brought forth by his God first.Just like “firstborn of every angel”…[Read more]

Sure Marty.  Let me break it down.Cain is the first human being ever brought forth from two human being parents, right?  And because of this, we can call Cain the “firstborn of every human creature”, right?  Cain is not the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE, because angels and animals and fish and birds and his parents all existed before he did, ri…[Read more]

Quote (michael777 @ Aug. 01 2011,19:15)Finally, on the last day he rested from his work, and his rest was one thousand years or one of God's days. This was one full week or 7000 years. After God's rest he started his work again, and he created Adam.Wasn't Adam created on the sixth day………BEFORE God rested?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 01 2011,08:12)Mike………Try to screw this one up also ,  because it also deals with what Jesus was saying about hating your fathers and mothers, and brothers, and sisters (LIFE) and our own (LIFE) (ALSO) The words “LIFE ALSO” ties the lives of the others into the content of the sentence.  I will try to keep it s…[Read more]

Bump for the “Jesus is God” people out there. What's the matter? Can't find one single spoken sentence of Jesus where he claims to be God Almighty? Here's your chance guys.

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2011,23:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2011,02:23)Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2011,13:50)Quote In Colossians 1:15, is it the “Spirit of Sonship” who is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God? If you live by the Spirit of God then you are the image of the invisible God as you do as God does for God does his works through…[Read more]

Well, at least they would be safer there Pierre.  They wouldn't have to put up with you and Irene and t8 and me constantly blasting that comically flawed, man-made doctrine to shreds.  

T8, why don't the polls show WHO voted for which option?Nothing else on HN is “anonymous”. Why should the polls be?mike

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2011,23:12)To all,It is sad that so many believe you can have God without Jesus as Scripture clearly states you cannot. What does that have to do with this thread? Kerwin, do you have a comment about whether or not Jesus is still a human being in heaven?How about you, Tim?peace,mike

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2011,10:50)You mean the un-inspired translators.No, what I mean is that the uninspired translators should have left the inspired words exactly how they were.  If the inspired writer had YHWH, then that's what should also be in the translation done by the uninspired copyists.Btw, I did not know the KJV didn't have…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 01 2011,19:06)Even though the Church in Biblical terms is a  She, to me it is not.Hi Irene,In the passage to which Kathi refers, the KJV calls the church “IT”, not “SHE” like some of the other translations.The Greek language, like many languages, has some words that are “feminine”, and others that are “masculine”.  But there a…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 01 2011,18:21)Therefore if one is called the son of God, then why not the other the Father of God?I know you've asked this before, but it is still brilliant.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,21:50)Since we all now KNOW of the existence of OTHER saviors in the scriptures, what exactly is it that makes them “shadow saviors” while Jesus is “the real McCoy”?  1.  Was not Jesus SENT by his God to be a savior just like all of the other ones?  2.  Was he not empowered by his God?  3.  Did he not follow the c…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 01 2011,15:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 01 2011,05:18)Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2011,15:27)3) False!Okay Ed,Here we go taking BABY steps for you:Hosea 13:4“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior except me.1.  Ed J, do the words “no savior except me” mean that there ha…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 31 2011,21:23)There is literally only one Savior in the ultimate sense who was both the Father and the Son.. In the less than ultimate sense, there were others.Not sure why you are making such a big deal about this.KathiHi Kathi,This was more for Keith, Jack and Ed. But if you read my next post to Ed, you'll understand…[Read more]