See above.

miia…..That was the Christo’s speaking, it or he, entered into the body of JESUS WHO BECAME THE CHRIST OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD. THE WORD CHRIST does not always mean the man Jesus, WHO CAME INTO EXISTENCE AT THE TIME OF HIS BERTH, but THE CHRISTO’S was what was came to be “IN” HIM.

miia…Notice in revelations that when Jesus spoke to the seven churc…

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Hi Ed. I can’t see how your verses answer the question of where the city is.

The CITY is in HEAVEN.

These all died in faith, not having received what was promised,
but having seen it and greeted it from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
For people who speak thus make it clear that they are se…[Read more]

Nick, Gene and Kerwin, reg p.447

Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings thou hast not desired,
but a body hast thou prepared for me”

Hebrews 10.5

Hi Miia,

The claims he made about his life in heaven were of the Spirit of Christ

Nick,

But the claims Jesus made about his life in heaven, before earth came from the Son of Man.

“No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.” John 3.13

Miia,

The situation is that those that think Jesus is preexisted believe he is superior a human being and that later is an obstacle to faith. The only ways Jesus was superior is that his faith has continuously been mature and he has had the Spirit to live by. The later we can both obtain and walk according to through obeying the gospel and the…

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Danny,

Were you part of another forum where there was nastiness, by chance? If so, try not to judge a doctrine based on only a small amount of people (forum dwellers). It’s only a very small percentage of the world. Just ‘if by chance’.

Hi Nick.

The voice of the Spirit in the mouth of Jesus Christ can still be heard, even if one believes that Jesus came down from Heaven.

One may or may not believe that Jesus came down from heaven, and they still might not hear his voice.

Hi Kerwin,

Though pre-existence is an interesting topic (for a short while), I don’t believe it matters much myself.  This thread has gone on for a long time!

So, for the believers in an earthly millennium at the return, my question is: How will you KNOW you are not serving an imposter?

People have believed throughout history that a world deceiver will take his seat on a throne, usually believed to be in Jerusalem here on earth. But his kingdom will come to an end when the earth is destroyed by…[Read more]

5. In My Father’s house are many dwelling places, if it were not so, I would have told you, for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also. (John 14.2)

Ed: A reference to Pentecost

Do you believe that Jesus has returned already?

Now please answer in your own words the remaining five in one post numbered 1-6. Thnx. I’ve added your ONE reply (#3).

1. Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass a…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin and all. I’m sorry but my mind has been elsewhere, and I caught a virus. Have read your posts but no time to comment yet. Just to acknowledge.

Miia…..You left off part of JOHN 3:12. IT SAYS “the son of man, “who is “IN” heaven.” I CHECKED IT OUT IN A GREEK LINEAR TRANSLATION, and it does seem to appear somewhat different,but the “who is “IN” heaven”, is still there. I have noticed others who try to force the text to imply JESUS as a preexisting sentinal being, who decended from heave…

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His is more in line with many English translations while mine is based on the Koine Greek and a few of the English translations as well previous words between the Jews and Jesus in the same chapter. Both are true and might of been meant from Jesus as sometimes God use the same words to mean more than one thing.

The rest are all simultaneous…

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Hi,

The word obviously has different meanings in scripture, but the word is also a being.

Here are a few examples.

Genesis 15:

After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great.”
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Kerwin,
The use of the word in Acts does not discount Jesus, and where he came down from.

John 6.38
“I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me”.

John 6.51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven.

John 8:58
“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

John 3.12
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Kerwin, I think the word of the LORD who came and spoke in the OT was the word of God in John 1.1 who became flesh.

Ed,

uh-oh 1Peter 1:11 says “the spirit of Christ” was “in the prophets”.
“The Word” of God that came to the Prophets was God’s “HolySpirit”

With “the spirit of Christ” in them, and God’s “HolySpirit” coming
unto them it’s no wonder that Prophets were able to speak “The Word”.

1 Peter 1.11

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