Thethinker,Thank you for your posts on this – I agree with what you are saying – excellent explanations!!!

Jerry,I had not seen that site before …… thank you very much, it is very informative.

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2009,16:13)Quote (meerkat @ Jan. 29 2009,13:01)Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2009,14:21)Hi thethinker:Looking at Hebrews 6:1:Quote Hbr 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, This says…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,21:27)chosenone said”Quote But all WILL believe at the “consummation”. 1.Cor.15:23-28 …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 27 2009,21:27)chosenone said”Quote But all WILL believe at the “consummation”. 1.Cor.15:23-28 …23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Jan. 29 2009,14:21)Hi thethinker:Looking at Hebrews 6:1:Quote Hbr 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, This says leaving “the principles of the doctrine of Christ”, and you say that this…[Read more]

Jerry,The reason I think that an age ended at 70AD and we are in another now is the words used to describe the then about to come judgement leading up to 70AD by Jesus and the apostles. The word mello means coming shortly/about to begin not coming in 2000 years time the same as the word aion is pertaining to the age/life and is not eternal.When…[Read more]

Quote (chosenone @ Jan. 26 2009,16:41)Meerkat. Are you there? I'm interested in your opinion.Blessings, Jerry.Jerry,been on a couple of days holiday …….. reading soon ……

Nick,What do you mean by men are conceived but woman conceive??For a human baby to be conceived there needs to be an egg and a sperm, conception is the fertilization of the egg by the sperm. Both men and woman are conceived in their mothers womb using the male sperm. Conception takes place in the mother but both men and woman are conceived.

Thank you Jerry ….. I have been thinking that an age ended at 70AD …….. the Jewish age had an ending and another age started with the destruction of the physical temple ….. what are your thoughts on that?

Quote (david @ Jan. 23 2009,20:36)Quote David………have you ever thought that maybe the mark on Cain was the name Satan or devil. And when Jesus was identifying him, He said He was a murder and lier in the beginning and he abode not in the truth because the truth was not in Him. IMOlove and peace to you and your………………….geneSo you…[Read more]

Jerry,Thanks very much for that post – I did not understand that distinction ………

Hebrews 9:9-10verse 1 ->Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.verse 9: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;verse 10: Which stood only in meats and…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 23 2009,08:36)Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 23 2009,06:19)Nick posted:Quote Did God say NEVER go to the gentiles?Did Peter not go to Cornelius on God's instruction?They never went to Gentiles on their own. They obeyed their Lord. And Cornelius was a proselyte, regarded the same as a Jew. Quote Those forgiven by God should only…[Read more]

Hi Thinker,Welcome to heaven.net.What you are saying makes sense to me …… I have come across the idea that baptism is a ritual that has no place in the freedom of Christ ………Acts 2:38:40 Says that Peter exhorted with repent and be baptised and save themselves from that untoward generation.Jesus was proclaiming the gospel to the Jews and…[Read more]

Nick,I can see what chosen is saying when talking about Jesus being sent to the Jews. Jesus was sent to the JEWS for them to repent – they did not repent but crucified him – they were punished in 70AD and were dispersed into all nations and have endured tribulation …………. the teachings of Jesus are FOR us however they were not necessarily…[Read more]

Sorry NickI am a believer in Jesus Christ and God, and chosen and Gene and Jodi are also believers, so why are you trying to say that a christian belief in universal salvation is about disbelief? That would be like saying that either trinitarians or non-trinitarians belong in the nonbelievers section.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2009,20:18)Hi MK, So the first fruits are individuals.But the remaining fruit is bits of individuals?The firstfruits are individuals who have had their carnal nature removed, their minds renewed …… the same as the general harvest ………… still individuals who will all be in Christ ….. as 1 Cor 15 says in…[Read more]

Gospel preached to the dead/perished/lost …….. 1 Peter 4:5-6 God is getting ready to judge the quick and the dead – All are judged as men in the flesh including the dead – everyone is responsible for their own actions – but/also/and/moreover they will live according to God in the Spirit

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 21 2009,11:45)Hi MK, You said in another thread”Each in their own order – not everyone is given all now, there is a called and chosen (firstfruits) , and also a general harvest ……….. the harvest needs to be prepared, the chaff separated from the wheat – the chaff (flesh/carnal nature) destroyed but the wheat…[Read more]