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    Lulu
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    I joined 5 days ago.

    #867168
    Lulu
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    before Abraham existed, came into being, John 8:58; also πρίν ἤ (cf. Meyer on Matthew)

    #867167
    Lulu
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    Strong’s Concordance
    prin: before
    Original Word: πρίν
    Part of Speech: Adverb
    Transliteration: prin
    Phonetic Spelling: (prin)
    Definition: before
    Usage: formerly, before.NAS Exhaustive Concordance
    Word Origin
    a prim. adverb akin to pro
    Definition
    before
    NASB Translation
    before (13).

    Thayer’s Greek Lexicon
    STRONGS NT 4250: πρίν

    πρίν ((according to Curtius, § 380 comparitive προιον, προιν, πρίν)), as in Greek writings from Homer down:1. an adverb previously,formerly (cf. πάλαι, 1): 3Macc. 5:28 3Macc. 6:4, 31; but never so in the N. T.

    2. with the force of a conjunction, before, before that: with an accusative and aorist infinitive of things past (cf. Winers Grammar, § 44, 6 at the end; Buttmann, § 142, 3); πρίν Ἀβραάμ γενέσθαι, before Abraham existed, came into being, John 8:58; also πρίν ἤ (cf. Meyer on Matthew 1:18), Matthew 1:18; (Acts 7:2); with an aorist infinitive haying the force of the Latin future perfect, of things future (cf. Winer’s Grammar, 332 (311)): πρίν ἀλέκτορα φωνῆσαι, before the cock shall have crowed, Matthew 26:34, 75; Mark 14:72; Luke 22:61; add, John 4:49; John 14:29; also πρίν ἤ, Mark 14:30; Acts 2:20 (where L T Tr WH text omit ἤ); πρίν ἤ, preceded by a negative sentence (Buttmann, § 139, 35), with the aorist subjunctive having the force of a future perfect in Latin (Buttmann, 231 (199)), Luke 2:26 (R G L T Tr marginal reading, but WH brackets ἤ), and R G in Luke 22:34; πρίν ἤ, followed by the optative of a thing as entertained in thought, Acts 25:16 (Winers Grammar, 297 (279); Buttmann, 230 (198)). Cf. Matthiae, § 522, 2, p. 1201f; Alexander Buttmann (1873) Gram. § 139, 41; Klotz ad Devar. ii. 2, p. 720ff; Winers Grammar (and Buttmann), as above.

     

    #867156
    Lulu
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    17In all, then, there were fourteen generations from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ. 18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged in marriage to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and was unwilling to disgrace her publicly, he resolved to divorce her quietly.…

    Matthew

     

    #867155
    Lulu
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    Is this a ordinary man?

    Jesus claims to exist before Abraham;

    John 8:58, KJV: “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58, NASB: “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.

    Are men virgin born? The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary .. Jesus is not just a man.  He identified with men taking on flesh and being born a man but he was God, and filled with the Holy Spirit at birth.   He was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

     

    #867137
    Lulu
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    Revelation 19:

    I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

    king of kings and lord of lords.    (This is Jesus) hence the Word is Jesus also John 1 teaches that.  

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