Hi Pilgrim,

Thank you for your answer and all the support information…well done and I agree.

Blessings, LU

You’re welcome Jodi, I’m glad it was clear.

Jodi,

For the sake of argument, let’s say you believe that the eternal God, in order to create and relate to creation, needed to become able to be present in heaven on the throne as well as be able to leave heaven and the throne and be visually present in a place other than heaven. In order for Him to be able to be present in two dimensions, He…[Read more]

Question:

Was Jesus anointed in order to be the first begotten son of God?

Or

Was Jesus anointed because he WAS the only begotten son of God?

In other words, which came first…the state of being the only begotten son of God or the state of being anointed in order to become the first begotten son of God.

I believe either view will lead to…[Read more]

Amen Pilgrim!

God bless, LU

Thank you for those great verses, Togel. I understand your frustration and feeling that there is nothing more you can say. There is always more that you can learn here by defending the deity of Jesus and it can only grow you closer to Him as you dig for more defense for the hope that lies within you.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let…[Read more]

Beautifully said Pilgrim, thank you. I’ve been reading some of the earliest church father’s lately, Ignatius, Polycarp, and Ireanaus. Ignatius and Polycarp died for those truths that you wrote. Ignatius was fed to the lions and Polycarp was put in the midst of fire and then stabbed by a sword. Both of these believers in Jesus as God with God in…[Read more]

Jesus was considered “anointed” as a baby. See that He was called the “Christ” or the anointed one in these two passages.

Matt 2:3

When King Herod heard this, he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. 4And when he had assembled all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked them where the Christ was to be born.

Luke 2

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Here Jodi,

https://answeringislam.org/Shamoun/badawi_jesus_preexistence.htm

Mike,

You said:

My point was that the Father does things without needing the power/authority/company/assistance of the Son.  Some of those things the Father does without the Son are for the benefit of the Son, sure.  But that’s not the story you’re painting here.  You’re trying to imply that the Father NEEDS the Son in order to do stuff – as if…

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Mike,

You asked:

The prayer mentions the creation, right?

1. Did Jesus’ apostles pray to the one who created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them? (Clear, honest, and succinct answer please.)

2. Is Jesus the one to whom they prayed? (Clear, honest, and succinct answer please.)

Yes, Mike, the prayer mentions the creation.

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Another of Jodi’s false teaching:

Regarding Hebrews 1:8

She said: “God called him a god, as He called Moses a god.“

The definite article is used before “theos” in Hebrews 1:8 therefore “a god” would be an incorrect translation, as seen here:

See the Strong’s definition for #3588:

Thank you Pilgrim and Carmel for your refreshing posts!

Blessings, LU

Hi Gene,

I believe the author of that quote is comparing what he knows is true to what you believe and what a huge difference there is between One who is the Only Begotten God who became a man to a man that didn’t pre-exist as the Only Begotten God.

It is really good, Boomerang. The first couple of episodes are kind of slow but they are laying a foundation for the rest. Enjoy!

Saint Ignatius regarding the Sabbath (Ignatius was an early church writer, bishop and Christian martyr who lived 35AD-108 AD):

Ignatius is claimed to be the first known Christian writer to argue in favor of Christianity’s replacement of the Sabbath with the Lord’s…[Read more]

Does this sound like anyone here?

Saint Ignatius of Antioch: The Epistles, page 141

If any one says there is one God, and also confesses Christ Jesus, but thinks the Lord to be a mere man, and not the only-begotten God, and Wisdom, and the Word of God, and deems Him to consist merely of a soul and body, such an one is a serpent, that preaches…

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Hi Boomerang,

Hopefully someday your wife will know the love of Jesus and realize how much He wants to have a relationship with her. Even being in a Christian marriage, one person may be completely not interested in apologetics and studying the Bible while the other is very much so interested it that. Fortunately we can all love each other where…[Read more]

Berean, great job on your posting.

The only begotten Son has always been loving the sons of man from their beginning back in Genesis. He loved man so much that he willing came to lay down his life for mankind in order to redeem them. Greater love has no man than the love of the Father and the Son. We can only imagine.

Blessings, LU

Gene,

You said: LU…..I think slowing down and deal with what is written clearly in our scriptures would help you also. I know you have been taught a lot of different things over many years, by different writers, but following their teaching can led you no where in the end, because if they are wrong and wind up in the ditch so will you right? I t…

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