PC

PC said:

To be fair. God is the head of all. Yes Christ is the head, but Hod is the head of him. God is the Most High.

The Most High Father is the only direct head of the Most High Son. The Most High Son is the only direct head of the church. The Most High Son and the Most High Father are ONE as a perfect unity, the Unity of YHVH.

Carmel,

The God, who is the Son of God the Father, is the head of the church, not the Father. The Father did not shed his “own blood.” The Father did not become flesh.

Your last post to me is written in a way that I asked you not to write when addressing me because it is not easily readable, imo, and I am not interested in deciphering lengthy,…[Read more]

@Proclaimer

This has been asked of you since January 9, 2021. Here is a reminder:

PC,

Who does the Father identify as

laying the foundations of the earth in this passage:

In Hebrews 1

8But about the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,

and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

9You have loved rig…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

LU: If the YHVH Unity were a family, then just as Jesus is the Son within the YHVH family, his Father is the Father within the YHVH family.

PC:I could make the same argument that they are aliens too.

But a wise person sticks to scripture and doesn’t let their imagination run wild with things they really know nothing about.

Then I s…[Read more]

Carmel,

Have you got any suggestion when Jesus was begotten on earth in relation to the scriptures hereunder:

Acts 13:33 This same God hath fulfilled to our children, raising up Jesus, as in the SECOND PSALM also is written: Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto m…

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Carmel,

They are one WHAT?

ONE GOD! NO?

22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united,

They are one, i.e. perfectly united.

Carmel,

Also, is the church “God” because the head of the church is “God?”

Which scripture declares that

“the head of the church is God”

1 Cor 11:3

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Acts 20:28

Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flo…[Read more]

Thanks Berean, another beautiful performance. I have never heard of a panflute.

God bless you too,

LU

Proclaimer,

PC, you write this (without understanding or merely not wanting to understand, idk): If God was a family then just as Jesus is the Son of God, the Father would be the Father of God.

This is more accurate if the YHVH Unity were a family:

If the YHVH Unity were a family, then just as Jesus is the Son within the YHVH family, his Father…[Read more]

Carmel,

Carmel: the title GOD is equally related to the Father and the Son; they are ONE!

They are one WHAT?

Also, is the church “God” because the head of the church is “God?”

Carmel,

He is the Firstborn of the One he calls his father, not of every creature.

Proclaimer,

PC: How can God be his head if Christ is God.

Two persons are identified as God, one is the Father of the other. Jesus says they are ONE.

In the Jones Family (for example), there are more than one person. The “Jones” that is the father, is head of the “Jones” that is his son. Understand?

Both are “Jones”, they are one family unity,…[Read more]

Carmel:

Carmel: Personally I don’t separate God’s work and put the Father as a superior figure!

1 Cor 11:3

But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

Carmel,

LU: Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation:

Carmel: So for you the above asserts that God begat His Son before creation, Even if it doesn’t clearly says so!

4416 prōtótokos (from 4413 /prṓtos, “first, pre-eminent” and 5088 /tíktō, “bring forth”)

Firstborn, first begotten, same thing. Therefore, Co…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You asked: But if your doctrine is not a Binity (while clearly it is), then what name do you give this doctrine?

It is simply a Unity.

Carmel,

So you don’t think that it was the Father that established the plan for the Son to become the Messiah, the sacrificial lamb?

The Son did not establish the plan, He was willingly obedient though, to follow  His Father’s plan.

The Fayher gives the vision, the Son carries out the vision, imo.

Proclaimer, I don’t teach a binity doctrine either, btw, as I have said for the hundredth time or thereabouts.

I will be at the edge of my seat waiting on your reply 😉

Carmel,

LU: He begat His Son before He created anything.

CARMEL: Where in the bible one can read the above?

Col 1

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation: 16for by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or rulers, or authorities—all t…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

You’re welcome. I look forward to your response.

Also, please remember that I do not teach the trinity doctrine.

I teach the Unity of YHVH, with the Father who is within the UNITY, as the head of the UNITY, His Son within the UNITY as the only begotten son of the Father, and the Holy Spirit which comes from them as one Spirit.

LU

John 10

1“Truly, truly I say to you, the one who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.

Regarding the election, who might this apply to?