Hi Mike,

The statement “today I have begotten you” is not said after Jesus’ baptism. That was said on the resurrection day. Jesus was begotten from the dead and thus firstborn from the dead. Clearly though, the Father was Jesus’ father before the resurrection day.

LU

Hi Mike,

You said:

Right.

Psalm 2:7

NET… The king says, “I will announce the Lord’s decree. He said to me: ‘You are my son! This very day I have become your father!’”

NIV…  I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”

NLT…  The king proclaims the LORD’s decree: “The LORD said to me,…

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Mike,

You said: 2.

The former is logical, since no son exists until he is brought into existence by his father (who always exists prior to his son coming into existence). The latter would therefore be illogical.

You believe that the Eternal One was not always a father, right?

Gene,

You have been shown a clear, grammatical reason that proves your use of the Greek word “dia” is misleading and now you have chosen to continue to mislead others. You will be accountable to the Lord Jesus for that.

Btw, it is not a doctrine that tells us that dia means “by the instrumentality of” when the genitive word follows it, it’s…[Read more]

Great post Proclaimer, I agree!

LU

To all,
In your opinion, what would be the difference between a created son of God and an uncreated son of God?
This should be interesting. LU

Gene,

You told Berean this:

Berean……how many’s times do I have to tell you, the word “by” there means , for the purpose of.

Translating “dia” (Strong’s #1223) is clarified by what type of word follows it. If the word after “dia” is in the genitive case it is translated as “through” or “by the instrumentality of” as opposed to the accusative case…[Read more]

Two different Fathers:

1. the Father that has an only begotten literal son.
2. the father that has no literal son, only non-literal sons.

I believe the Son is the only begotten literal son of God. I have been saying that for 28+ years. Jesus is begotten, not created. A created son would not be a literal son.

It seems like Berean, Danny,…[Read more]

Mike says

If a living thing is born, isn’t it also a new creation that didn’t exist before it was born? Can you think of an exception?

All five of my children were born about nine months AFTER they first existed.

It is not birth that causes an offspring to exist, it’s conception. Mike has been through this Biology lesson many times now and sho…[Read more]

No Mike you are not.

Danny and Berean,

The three of us are agreeing on both the Father and Son being deity and identified as YHVH, correct?

Hi Gene,

You wrote:

To All …..something to think about,   Is begotten to you, the same as being born ?

To me it is not the Same.  Because we are begotten of God,  But not yet born, according to this.  1 John 5;18………We know that whosoever is born of God sins not , “But” , he that is “begotten ” of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches h…

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Proclaimer you wrote to Danny:

I would have said the following were correct:

Eve is adam
Eve is man
Adam and Eve are adam
Adam and Eve are man

I believe the following is correct:

The Son is theos

The Son is god

The Father and the Son are theos

The Father and the Son are god.

The Father is not the Son.

Two persons are theos.

Two persons are…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

You wrote:

Jesus and His Father are both deity not just divine.

I believe this is what John 1:1 teaches.
“what God was, the Word was”

The terms “divinity” and “deity” can be confusing. In most cases the terms have identical meanings.
However, some have used “divine” to refer to an angel, since it came from God.
However, a…

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Hi Danny,

You posted:

Irenaeus wrote around AD 185 and mentions John 1:1 five times.
In one reference he comments, “‘and the Word was God,’ of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.”

That which is begotten of the eternal One is part of the family of YHVH and is every bit a YHVH as the eternal One that begat Him.

Would you agree t…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Kathi, do you believe that Jesus is 100% identical in every single way to the one he calls his God?

Is it possible that the angels were produced the same way?  Why or why not?

I believe the Father and Son are identical in every way possible except one was begotten as the only begotten (the Son), and the other (the Father) was…[Read more]

Mike,

You said: Of course we know the word “begotten” in this case isn’t literal because we know that God the Father didn’t have sex with God the Mother to produce Jesus.

Of course there is asexual reproduction which wouldn’t require a partner. I believe it is entirely possible for the eternal One to asexually reproduce and “literally” beget a…[Read more]

Does God have essence or IS God essence?  Can you answer that?

Or maybe you think that God does not have essence. It would be impossible for the Son to be the exact representation of the Father’s essence if He did not have any essence?

Undebunked.

God is eternal, was God always a father?

If so, then God always had a son.

If not, then is it remotely possible that God asexually reproduced?

If God asexually reproduced, is it possible that God took from Himself essence that always was in Himself and then gave it to another one just like Himself?

If so, then the essence in God is the same in…[Read more]

Thanks for the list Adam. Have the Jews found their Messiah yet according to you? What has to happen before they he comes?