@t8
You must have missed this question:

Please select which one is your understanding-
a) Jesus was not God with the God in the beginning.
b) Jesus was God who was with the God in the beginning.

Thanks!

Also, you asked:
Do YOU believe Jesus when he said:

“Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, w…

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@Grasshopper
Glad you are following along but this is a private debate…you aren’t supposed to post in a private debate unless you are one of the two who are debating, sorry. Thanks for respecting that 🙂

@Grasshopper
This is a private debate, sorry. Thanks for respecting that.

@Wakeup
The lady here in 2 John is a prominent female member of the church and her children are…well, her children. Simple as that.

@t8
you said:

I am all ears if you can show me the scripture.

The one who was eternal life, was with the Father from the beginning:
1 John
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 2For the life was manifested, and we…[Read more]

@t8

you said:

You have heard my views Kathi, so answer me this question. Do I believe Jesus when he said:

“Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”

Yes or no.

Yes, you believe what the verse says but you do not know them as God with God in the beginning. Rather you believe tha…[Read more]

@Wakeup

you said:

You have been proven scripturally wrong Lightenup.

And where was that which you have proven anything to me? You have only offered your own understanding of some verses. Do you call that proof? Can you give me any early church father’s agreement with you at all on this ‘God’s woman’ heresy that you insist on?

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@t8
Sad that you do not want to understand what ‘eternally begotten’ means but you just want to ‘slam’ me for using ‘higher education that puffs one up’ when I expose your lack of understanding to one of the very things you seem to have devoted your website to discredit. I thought a man once corrected would accept correction with humility and…[Read more]

@Wakeup
you asked:

How can Christ marry a church like this one? All the churches of today are even worse.

John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world…[Read more]

@Charles
you said:

YOU HAVE TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!

THAT IS AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL, THAT ONE MUST LIVE ONLY BY THE NECESSITIES! IN CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL SINCE EVERY THING IS CORRUPTED!

I’m trying to understand your post, so please bear with my questions.
What are these ‘necessities’ according to you? Please…[Read more]

@Wakeup
Is your teaching, your ‘woman?’
Is the doctrine of the apostle’s their ‘woman?’

@t8
you said:

You believe in the son always proceeding from the Father. That is the man-made doctrine of the eternal generation of the son.

I don’t believe you understand the term ‘eternally begotten’ as written in a form of the Nicene Creed. When the Father says about the Son, “Today, I have begotten you” in Heb. 11, that word ‘begotten’ is…[Read more]

@Wakeup
you said:

Jesus is not going to marry his own body.

Jesus doesn’t marry His own body. His bride is a body of believers with Christ as the head. Like a man who is head of his wife.

Don’t make it so difficult. A man doesn’t marry his own body but is head of his wife and the two become one flesh.

I’m totally at peace with the church…[Read more]

@t8

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

The courage to change the things I can,

And the wisdom to know the difference.

Good prayer. I have accepted that it is not I that can change you. My hope is to challenge the reader from buying into your small view of Christ.

@t8
you say this but you still don’t know the Son:

eternal life is to know the only true God and his son

If you knew the Son, you would know that eternal life is to know two who are called theos in scripture, in this particular verse in John 17, one is referred to as the only true theos, the Father and the other theos is referred to as Jesus…[Read more]

@t8
you say this but you still don’t know the Son:

eternal life is to know the only true God and his son

If you knew the Son, you would know that eternal life is to know two who are called theos in scripture, in this particular verse in John 17, one is referred to as the only true theos, the Father and the other theos is referred to as Jesus…[Read more]

@t8
you asked:

Kathi, have you even won one point here?

Yes, several.
The main one that there are two who are called theos in scripture who share dominion over all creation for ever and ever.

@t8
And WHERE did I ever use this term “eternally generated?”
So far, you are not very impressive in your comprehension, claiming that I use terms like eternally generated is a perfect example. It is no wonder you are so messed up in your doctrine considering you poor comprehension of the written word.

@Wakeup
you said:

1.The people are the invited to the wedding.
2.The bride is the clothing they have on.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Matthew 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

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@carmel

you said:

ABANDON THIS CORRUPPTED WORLDLY CARNAL SYSTEM TO ACHIEVE THE SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY SYSTEM, WHILE STILL ON EARTH!

Would you please tell me how you think that I am holding on to a corrupted worldly carnal system?