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Hi All,

 

The Messiah is part of the holy spirit.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The Father is part of that spirit.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Me: Bottom line, there is one holy spirit (Ephesians 4:4) which has the mind of God and the human mind of the Messiah in it.

Romans 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Me: So John 4:24, 16:13 refer to the mind of the father. The mind is of the spirit and is spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17 refers to the human mind of Christ in the same spirit. The son bonds with the father. The church members become one with the human mind of Christ in that same spirit.

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

 

Me: Christ is called Immanuel because God was truly expressed fully in the Messiah. God is not with man until Revelation 21:3. He was fully expressed from heaven in the Messiah when he was on earth. The Messiah then became glorified together with his father (John 17:3 below) . Then the Messiah came to earth again in Revelation 21:3)

John 17:3 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Me: The word or expression of God in Christ was with God at the beginning of creation (John 1:1), not as Jesus (John 1:14).

1. The divine mind of God without the Word or expression of himself is God. For the Word of God was expressed in the beginning (John 1:1) and was the instrument in creation.

2. The expression of God himself or word of God plus the divine mind of God = God (John 1:1).

3. The human mind of the Messiah plus the divine mind of his father = God.

The Word became flesh. God expressed himself in the human mind of the Messiah (John 1:14) and not a theophany in the OT..

4. The human mind of the Messiah without the divine mind of his father is NOT God.  

http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/trinity.htm

Quote: “Elohim is known in Hebrew grammar as A PLURAL OF MAJESTY. It is derived from the Hebrew verb “el” meaning, “strength,” and thus elohim amplifies the meaning of strength (el). In Hebrew, the literal rendering of elohim would read, “The strongest strength” or even, “the strongest of the strong.” To introduce the polytheistic concept of the Trinity into the monotheistic Hebrew scripture by twisting the meaning of elohim is ignorance, dishonesty or outright deception…
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them. (KJV) Notice the personal pronouns in Genesis 1:27 (“his” and “he”) are all SINGULAR, whereas the personal pronouns in Genesis 1:26 (“Us” and “Our”) are all plural. In Genesis 1:27 only one individual is actually doing the creating…God!

Isa 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Me: The Word was in the beginning with God, not Jesus. Christ became fully the Word of God at his resurrection and glorification. He is now the complete expression of his Father.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

 

Eccl 3: 17 I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Eccl 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Me: All of man is made of the dust (Genesis 3:19), that includes his human spirit. It returns to the elements from which it is made from (Ezekiel 37:9, Genesis 4:10) just like the beasts do.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Me: The spirit that goes up to God is the holy spirit with the heart of Christ in it (2 Corinthians 5:8). It is the new generation of man descended from the new Adam, Christ.

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

 

There are two Adams, the one in Genesis and the one in 1 Corinthians 15:45

1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam (Christ) was made a quickening spirit.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

To continue:

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, (click on the links below: H1223 on account of) also he made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:2 Interlinear: in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages;

Strong’s Greek: 1223. διά (dia) — through, on account of, because of

Me: This tells me that the Messiah had not existed prior to his birth because he did not speak to the prophets at all by the Messiah, but through his Word or expression. This expression was not expressed yet  in the flesh of man. After Christ’s resurrection, he became the full expression of God (Revelation 19:12) of God.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Me: The Word of God is the expression of God. No one has every and can every hear or see God (1 Timothy 6:16). We see and hear God through the expression of himself. In the OT, the son of God did not exist. It was not until the Word was expressed in the human Christ born of man do we have the term “son of God” referring to man. Christ did not become the son of God fully until after his resurrection and glorification. There is no son of God or God the son in the OT. Why, because the son of God did not exist until after his resurrection and glorification.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten (me: birth) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten (Colossians 1:18) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Only in Daniel 3:25 do we have “one LIKE the son of God pertaining to the Messiah to be born from the womb of Mary. This was a theophany or more specifically a Christophany.

What does theophany mean? What is a Christophany?

https://www.compellingtruth.org/theophany-christophany.html

 

Revelation 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3 And no MAN in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4 And I wept much, because no MAN was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. 5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Me: The son of man together with his Father is God (Revelation 21:22-23). God is divine and was expressed fully in his temple, the Messiah. As was elaborated earlier, the first Adam had died in his spirit mind or this aspect of his mind that relates to God (Luke 9:60}. Yet he also had a human mind. The Messiah was born with his spirit mind intact. His father is expressed fully in him. The father in turn has a human mind. This is the Messiah fully expressed in him (John 14:10).

Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead:…

John 14:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

[Truthcomber]

On the other hand, Christ here on earth expressed his humanity fully in  the father in heaven

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

[Truthcomber]

Hi Carmel,

 

Exactly!!!

Colossians 2:8...according to Christ. 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Me: The father in heaven expressed himself fully in the spirit mind Christ here on earth.

John 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

God consists of the divinity of the father and the humanity of Christ.  God is the father and his son.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

 

 

[Truthcomber]

Gene,

You: 1 Cor 15:45……the first “man Adam” was made (by God) a living soul, the last Adam “was made “by” a quickening spirit

Me:

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-45.htm.

All these translations have “the last Adam was made into a life given spirit” or something to that effect, not made by a life given spirit which is a lot of BS.

2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

and as Camel has mentioned above:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

 

Gene, I really do not know why I have answered your blatant lie. I wish that you do not address me in the future.

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

 

After Adam’s sin, man could not become the sons of the new Adam through the flesh but through th e soul of Christ.

In Genesis 6, the sons of Gods (angels) left their present dwelling (bodies) or angelic bodies and put on bodies of flesh. They then copulated with the human females who bore giants in physical and mental stature. The genes provide by these angels were similar to those of the first adamic race. Their offspring could produce children. This was a counterfeit of the coming race of man that the Messiah would be the Adam of. Thus, man could not be the offspring of the Messiah directly, but through the soul of the new adamic race from the second Adam.

Click the link below.
https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Jude/1/6

Psalms 51:1 (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.) Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Me: king david had entered Bathsheba through human soul of David though his sperm. Bathsheba had similarly entered David

Me: They became one “flesh” or soul.

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Me: The church becomes the bride of Christ (2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:27, Revelation 19:7) and one like one being (soul) like the first Adam became one flesh with his wife (Genesis 2:24). This comes about directly through the soul of Christ.

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Me: The spiritual seed of Abraham is not passed down or inherited generation to generation. It is implanted discriminately.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac (me: and not Ishmael) shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

Matt 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Me: The seed here is the spiritual seed or of the soul. This is the same seed that was implanted in Abraham and Isaac and later David. It was the same seed that Adam later acquired after his fall (Genesis 3:15). It is the same seed that is implanted in the church members today from different races and groups of people around the world. It was a seed that grew in Christ into a great tree in Matt 13:31-32 below. It is the tree of life. It is the seed of faith. Abraham showed the greatest adherence of faith and demonstration of this seed.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed (me: of the soul of the Messiah that will be) nature of Abraham”.

Matt 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

Me: This is the river of life (John 7:38) that the dead prior to John 5:25 will grow into when they hear the voice of the Messiah calling them to eternal life.

Me: It is from this seed that grew into tree of the soul of Christ that the righteous put on new bodies.

1 Cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (Me: seed): 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body…40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Me: It will be made in the image of the old physical, but now is celestial.

Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

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SPIRITUAL SEED OF ABRAHAM

Me: After his resurrection and glorification, he was fully the Son of God and so made so much greater than the angels,

Psalms 8:5…and hast crowned him with glory and honour

Jesus Became The Only Begotten Son of God
~AT THE RESURRECTION~
http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/begotten.htm

Hebrews 1:4 BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANGELS, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I have begotten (me: BIRTH) thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten (Colossian 1:18) into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.8 But unto the Son (also a spirit) he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Me: The Messiah became fully the son after his resurrection and glorification in heaven.

He is the first born from the dead. He is the first of the first fruits.

Heb 5: 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 WHO IN THE DAYS OF THE FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Me: The Messiah became a high priest when he became fully THE son of God as a spirit (human mind of the holy spirit). The church becomes sons of God through adoption by dying and resurrecting with Christ when they are baptized of the holy spirit. They become fully the adopted sons of God at their deaths, if in good stead.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence (Mark 4:31).

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

Physical seed of Abraham

Both Mary and her husband Joseph had descended from David.
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/charts-maps/en/genealogy_of_jesus_chart.htm

Me: But Jesus descended by way of Solomon through Mary.

WHAT IS THE CURSE OF KING JECONIAH?
Does Jeconiah’s curse disqualify Jesus as Messiah?
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/what_is_curse_of_king_jeconiah.htm
https://www.conformingtojesus.com/why_are_jesus_genealogies_in_gospels_different.htm

Me: The Messiah is descended from David and Solomon in the flesh from his mother’s side. Solomon was promised that the Messiah would descend through him.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1714864/jewish/Is-the-Messiah-a-Descendant-of-King-Solomon.htm

Matt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Me: So God created and provided the male chromosomes supernaturally outside of existing man to fertilize the ovum (egg) of Mary. The dead spirit nature that was not able to have a spiritual relationship was thus not passed on to the Messiah. The resulting new Adam could transfigure himself (Matt 17:2) as an adult because he was made a little lower than angels.

Psalms 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him A LITTLE LOWER THAN ANGELS…
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/430.htm

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

 

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

Me: The Messiah was not made under the law with weak flesh, but was the new Adam of the new covenant with slightly different human flesh.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one (G1520) man (G444) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, (me: eph ho: by which) all have sinned:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Me: Adam did not die physically the very day he sinned. Death of a relationship with God passed upon all men by which they sin. In turn, physical death is the result of sin.  Sin entered the world by the first man Adam. Although G444 can refer to mankind or a particular man, it is clear that when first used in Romans 5:12 it is referring to one man, Adam. So the second use of the word is referring to men and not woman. Spiritual death is passed on by the male gender and not the female. Eve was not yet created when the proclamation was stated of the consequences of eating of the forbidden fruit.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. 18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Me: Adam did not die physically that day but spiritually. So did Eve. So did the whole creation.  For man had dominion over the animal kingdom through the spirit (Genesis 1:28). 

Rom 8:18 (NKJV) For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Young’s Literal Translation
Eccl 3:19 For an event is to the sons of man, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that; and one spirit is to all, and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is (me: H1892: futility).

Me: Man and beasts were all subject to death. We are all of one spirit. The holy spirit will replace the spirit of the flesh

[Truthcomber]

Carmel,

 

Good post for those with eyes to see.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he (me: the father in verse 2) shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Me: These three scriptures compliment each other. The lamb is the temple for the Father to dwell in. God has a divine self and a human self. That human self is the Messiah, born of God as the only son of God directly through God. We become the sons of God through Christ. Gene and Jodi have never addressed Isa 9:6 no matter how many times I have asked them. They have never addressed how we can see the father when he is invisible. We see and perceive the Father through his son. They have never shown how the three scriptures above relate and compliment each other. Instead Jodi goes on a long tirade trying to justify her and Gene’s apostasy, going off the point and calling everyone that disagrees with them names. They don’t put the scriptures together and have no idea what they are talking about. .

Isa 28:14 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Me: There it is. We must put the scripture and concepts together, otherwise we come up with some stupid claims that the Messiah is just flesh and bones”.
The Messiah is SPIRIT.  His body is just his temple which he and the father dwell in. We dwell in the Messiah and him in us, and thus we dwell in the father and he in us through the Messiah

Hebrews 5:7 WHO IN THE DAYS OF HIS FLESH, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Me: This means that he is no longer in the flesh.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening SPIRIT.

Now the Lord is that SPIRIT: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Me: Christ is a spirit human mind of the one holy spirit (Eph 4:4) .

Jodi and Gene,

I am not responding to your posts which could go on for another 1,000 pages.

 

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Gene,

You do not understand even plain English more less the scriptures.  Nobody said that they want to kick you off.  I said you can voluntarily leave anytime because no one but Jodi agrees with you and your nut case doctrines that are not biblical at all.  You have not come close to convincing anyone here in ten years and show your displeasure of being here when we disagree with most of your “understanding”.  I am sure many have left here.  I do post elsewhere now and need not the agony of your insanity and deceptive reasoning.

quote: ” If anyone is of the Devil it is you people who preach a false Jesus, you are part of the many Jesus said would come saying “I am” (a God) , decieving many. The best advice I can give you is to “repent”.

 

 

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NO!!!! Your comments are  not worthy of a response larger than this.  If you don’t agree with us, go somewhere else–if anyone will take and retain you.

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Gene,

I am talking about apples and you are talking about oranges.  What you just posted has nothing to do with what I had just posted.  The truth is a mystery to those that misapply scripture as you do. I just showed you the scriptures.  Instead of addressing them, you go on a tangent and talk about something else that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand to justify your arrogance and ignorance.  I have never seen anything like it.  If I had not believed in a devil, I do now.  You are not seeking the truth but your own glorification of your false ridiculous claims you  call understanding.  I do not know what your agenda is here, but surely it does not come from a right spirit.  You are like a bad afterthought and the truth is not in you.  I may just ignore your posts from now on.

[Truthcomber]

No Gene, God’s word is a mystery to those that he doesn’t reveal it to.  You are Jodi are proof of that.

 

1 Cor 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a MYSTERY, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Me: You and Jodi crucify the word of God.

Col 1:26 Even the MYSTERY which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Me: kings here refer to the kings and priests that the saints are destined to become.  God’s word has to be revealed by him. It is not simple.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Me: you are wrong when you say one can just look at the plain scriptures and understand it without looking for the hidden meanings.

Isa 28:19 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Me: God’s word is not understood by just looking at one verse or even the context of the paragraph but the whole context of the bible. It is revealing to those who see the connections and a mystery to those that don’t. You look at the word “mystery” in the context of mystery Babylon and think that mystery doesn’t also pertain to God’s word, not as the false religions but of the truth.
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Mystery

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Me: In verse 2, the phrase “we shall be like him” is pertaining to Father in verse 1. Now the Father together with his Son appears as one person in Revelation 21:3, 22-23. This means that the church shall perceive the invisible God. Does this contradict 1 Timothy 6:16)?

• 1 Tim 6:16 (NIV) to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amien

Me: I believe this verse of no one being able to see God or can see God pertains to then and not in the future. For the church shall perceive God in 1 John 3:1, and the humanity in God perceives God now.

This is similar to Christ declaring that no one knows the time or the hour of Christ’s return. For we know that Christ will return three and one half days after the two witnesses lie dead in the street of Jerusalem (Revelation 11:9) and Christ knows what his fathr knows (John 16:15)

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No, absolutely not.  I and others have shown you and Jodi the scriptures in a coherent manner–as opposed to you and Jodi.  Because we do not believe in your lies and lack of knowledge and understanding, does not make us false teachers.  Look at yourself in the mirror please.

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Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 11  I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no savior.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Me: So does Isa 43:10 and 9:6 contradict each other? No, because in the mind God, the human Christ has always existence as if it were.

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