Hi Nick,

You Wrote:

 So you say

 But what you say is from theology and not the word of God

Me:

I do not subscribe to anyone’s theology. I have an open mind and do not believe I know it all and that others cannot contribute to my understanding. If I am wrong, I will change my views readily. You should be the say way, not being stuck in…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

You:

 Of water and the Spirit, and walk in the Spirit your future is secure,

Me:

True: but water symbolizes the holy spirit with Christ’s mind and heart in it.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into…[Read more]

Hi Nick.

You wrote:

Adam did die that day.

A day can be like a thousand years to God as Psalm 90 tells us and 2 Peter witnesses to.

Adam died age 930-less than 1000 years and none subsequently passed 1,000 years

.

No need to develop other metaphysical ideas to explain what is plain.

Me: I had written that a thousand years is…[Read more]

Christ said whosoever believed in me.  The thief did not need to be a prophet to be resurrected into life.  The great things of this world are not called to be of the first resurrection.  It is plain and simple.

The thief died under the OT but was resurrected into life after Christ had ascended into heaven–just like the rest of the prophets did.  I have to go now

I gave you a abundance of scripture.  I am not confused.  You are.

Hi Nick:

You questioned me.

“You say that the minds of the saints are already in heaven?

Jesus said I am the resurrection.  Whosoever believeth in me shall never die.  He said salvation is Now.

Me The minds of the dead saints are already in heaven.

Hi Nick:

You wrote:

You say that water baptism is only symbolic.

Do not denigrate what God has provided

It is a plea to God for forgiveness

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

You wrote:

You say

Spirit is in the blood

Not written

You would make scripture argue with itself by denying the spirit returns to God.

Blood is of the earth, not heaven.

Me:

Written but not understood

True, you will not find one verse in the bible that says the spirit is in the blood. You need to take the…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

Nick wrote:

You say the spirit in the natural man deep down inside him is evil.

This is false, but a popular notion.

Me:

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Comment: Whose mind and heart is deceitful above all things? Whose heart through his spirit influences ma…[Read more]

Nick wrote:

Adam and Eve lost their spirit minds when they sinned.

Any Scriptures?

Adam and Eve were made potential vessels for the spirit of God.

Empty vessels as God communicated with them from without.

The second Adam was born again from above and God was in him reconciling the world to himself. No need to imagine…[Read more]

Does God have a heart metaphorically?

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/jeremiah/44-21.htm

Jer 44:21….did not the LORD r…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You wrote:

Nick….I may have said the spirit in man came from God, because scripture says if God were to withdraw his spirit and breath, all flesh would “parish”together.

Job 34:14-15…If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; (All) flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unt…[Read more]

Hi Nick and All,

Nick Wrote:

Hi TC,

First quote: Of course the breath of God is not the SPIRIT of God.  

Men and animals were not born of the Spirit of God

Second quote:

The human spirit returns to God who gave it.

.

Me: Yes to the first quote, no to the second.

If you read Eccl 3 below, you would notice in verse 19 that man and b…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

 You wrote:

Hi Ed and T8,

 You think that the spirit of Christ is the spirit of the man, Jesus?

 Then what was his human spirit doing in the prophets?

 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful search and inquiry, seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Chri…[Read more]

Gene Balthrop wrote

TC… What i believe is that a living soul is simply a flesh body that has the breath of life in it. This is at least what Gen 2:6 says. I also believe that there is a spirit in man.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (H5397. neshamah) of life; and man b…[Read more]

That man is a spirit, soul, and body is a trinitarian concept, that is man is made in the image of God who is a trinity.  That trinity is correspondently, God the Father, God the son, and God the holy spirit–three different parts yet one.  Not true.

“I Am” before Abraham in the resurrection.  Christ did not pre-exit.  Abraham longed to see that day of his resurrection according to the promises.  The Messiah is the resurrection and the beginning of the new creation.

Nick wrote:

There is a division between soul and spirit as Heb 4:12 states.

http://www.dtl.org/misc/treatise/soul-spirit-2…[Read more]

I will continue on with this topic on the new thread: “spirit and soul”

Hi Gene, Nick and all,

Me: I believe that there are three elements that pertain to the immaterial part of man.

1) Mind: pertains to our intellect.

2) Spirit is a broader term than soul and pertains to our character and, i.e. that is the spirit of love, goodness and peace as opposed to the opposite. It also means life (Romans 8:10 below).

3)…[Read more]