Hi Gregory,

I am inferring from the post that you did that you do not believe in the pre-existence of the Messiah. I likewise do not. But I do not believe that John the Baptist had the holy spirit in the womb before he was born. I think this aspect is unique to the Messiah, the only begotten son of God from conception as indicated by Luke 1:35…[Read more]

Hi Gene:

I have presented my case in the preceding post on this and previous pages. I do not think I can add much more. As evident by the scriptures, Christ lives, and so do we, whether in body or out of body.

2 Cor 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore…[Read more]

Hi All,

1 Tim 3:13 (KJV) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed…[Read more]

Hi All,

Explanation of the last sentence above: 

1 Cor 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain (seed), it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain (seed): 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every…[Read more]

Hi Jodi and All,

One more thing.

New American Standard Bible
Col 1:18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

Me: Therefore Christ has all the talents and gifts given to members of his body in the highest degree.

Eph 4:11 And…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:

Rom 7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?
Paul’s hope was in the resurrection, to be given a body that is not subject to death.

Me: It starts before that at the resurrection of man’s mind with the spirit of God in it.

You: READ 1 Corinthians 15, Paul speaks of the r…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:
In my opinion from what I read from scripture I believe you are denying scripture.
You said, “Me: They are put to death as far as we can see their bodies.

You: 
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
If you read all of Paul’s words from other passag…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You:
Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And w…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:

Heb 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body. 4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye…[Read more]

Hi Jodi:

You:
Luke 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Jesus ceased to exist, in the grave you have no knowledge, no plans, you cannot praise God, Jesus was said to be LOST. Then he was ALIVE again and found!!

Me: Christ was never lost. The passage above is referring to the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:
1 Thess 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.
As Jesus died and was MADE ALIVE AGAIN, having his spirit quickened, having his body not see corruption but raised in glory and power, we believe ours is the same fate, that when…[Read more]

Hi Jodi:

You:
Hebrews 11 tells us the saints have NOT yet received the promise. David is sleeping, he is RESTING, he is DEAD, and when the SON OF MAN of the seed of David of flesh and bones, comes in the clouds David is RAISED from the GRAVE being changed into incorruptible flesh, and meeting his son in the air. They come down to earth with…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: When you combine a spiritually minded man with an incorruptible body you are perfected, you are not of the first Adam but of the last Adam “the red earth” raised incorruptible in glory and power (1 Corithinans 15).

Me:
Matt 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins,

Me:

Young’s Literal Translation
‘Men, brethren! it is…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

Me:

Verse 27 is addressing David and not Christ.

Acts 2:31
Click on the link below. Then click on 5590 above…[Read more]

Hi Jody,

You: It is MORTAL flesh that makes the mind of man weak, makes him live in fear, makes him desire to feed his flesh unto life, invoking the imagination to feed the flesh in a manner that is at enmity against God and His correct path. Jesus was raised with a BODY of LIFE, a body of glory and power, not weak, not able to be tempted and…[Read more]

Hi Jody,

You:
Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
His FLESH RESTS in HOPE, his flesh rests to be raised from the dead and given…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:
You are denying IMO what is clearly written, and misunderstanding other passages to fit that which you deny.
Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,
You wrote:
You are denying IMO what is clearly written, and misunderstanding other passages to fit that which you deny.

Me: Whatever IMO is I guess I am denying it?

Hi Nick,

You said:
As far as the souls under the alter.
The following passage in the book of Revelation is often cited in support of the belief that people are created with an immortal soul that survives in a conscious state after death:
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the…[Read more]