Gregory

You: if it’s not, then your argument would be that he had holy spirit, but didn’t receive power until baptized.

Me: Christ had the holy spirit from when he was conceived. Christians grow in the spirit when babes in Christ. Christ grew in the spirit also. So if Christ grew in the spirit, he could become even more powerful if anoi…[Read more]

Gregory, 

Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the…[Read more]

Gregory.

You wrote:

Yes that was a typo. Luke 2:40 does not contain “in the spirit”, neither do your other references, so cannot be used to argue that Jesus grew in the spirit.
Luke 1:80 is talking about John not Jesus. John was in the desert until his showing.

Me: I was wrong about Luke 1:80. It does refer to John.

Luke 2:40 (NASB) The Chi…[Read more]

Hi Edj

You:

Micah 5:2 is clearly makes two points:
1. the spirit of Christ preexisted Jesus birth
………..– and –
2. the spirit of Christ was with Jesus at his birth IN BETHLEHEM.

Me:
You are relying on Mich 5:2 almost soley for the definition of the word 5769. olam that was translated here wrongly as everlasting. Read on the top of page 517. N…[Read more]

Transferred in from Preexistence (Part 2), page 519

Hi Gregory,

You:
As well, people had holy spirit before Jesus, It wasn’t a new thing. Difference is, before Pentecost, it was spirit upon, not within, like we have today. God would choose who he gave it to, to bring about his will; and people would lose that spiritual connection if they s…[Read more]

Hi Gregory,

You Wrote:

TC,
Luke 1:52, most texts don’t have “in the spirit”.

Me: You mean Luke 2:52. Nobody has in the spirit in their translations. But most have “in the spirit” for Luke 2:40. Only the King James and New King James have “in the spirit”. Not even the interlinear bible has it. I guess they felt that if you grow in wisdom and gr…[Read more]

Hi Gene:

You:
Rom 8:3….And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit the redemption of OUR BODY. NOW concerning do spirits have bodies, JESUS answers this for us,
Luk 24:39…”Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself handle me, a…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

You Wrote:

TC….EZK 37:8-9 ….And when i looked, lo, the sinews and the flesh come up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9…Then said he unto me Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy son of man, and say to t h e wind, thus saith the LORD GOD; come from the four winds, O breath upon these slain, that…[Read more]

Hi Gregory,

You:

Whether JB had holy spirit before being born, during gestation, or from (ek – out from) actual birth, probably not too critical in the whole scheme of things. Point is he had holy spirit before/at birth. Jesus however, received holy spirit upon being baptized by John.

Me: I went over this with Nick before. First, water b…[Read more]

My last post was address to Gene.  Sorry Gene, I forgot the salutation.

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Hi Gene,

You wrote:

TC….THE TERM CHRISTO’S, is not the man Jesus, it is the ANOINTING SPIRIT OF GOD, when we say Jesus Christ, we are not saying Jesus is the CHRISTO’S we are saying Jesus is the anointed one of God, the christo’s is God the Father that was “in” The man Jesus, the spirit “of” christ is the anointting Spirit of God,…[Read more]

You:

TC….No one has risen from the grave but Jesus, and scripture say “it is appointed unto man to die then after that the Judgement”. There is truly a “frist resurection” and a second resurection. Your saying that the saints didn’t die , after pentocost is wrong, all of them died and are waiting the resurection.

Me:

Heb 9:27 And as it is appoi…[Read more]

Hi All,

This post somehow got lost in the shuffle.

Hi Jodi,

You: Because a man sins he DIES, but Jesus wiped our sins clean so that even though man dies he may LIVE AGAIN. Through Jesus COMES THE RESURRECTION from the dead. Through Jesus comes the resurrection unto eternal LIFE. The DEAD have LIFE through the resurrection,

Me: So far so…[Read more]

Hi All,

I am now finish responding to Jodi’s post and will focus on Gene and Anthony’s in that order.  I really do not have much time during the week days but usually devote most of my weekends to post.  I would appreciate if Jodi waits until I am finish with Gene and Anthony first.

Blessings, Lester

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:

Jesus was TAUGHT by God, with God’s Spirit teaching the human mind of Jesus. The word spirit is used interchangeably with that of the human heart and the human mind. Man cannot rely on his own understanding or his own imagination, he must LEARN from God, he must learn that he cannot depend on himself but needs God working i…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You wrote:

Jesus received a body that is no longer able to be tempted, it does not fear death and does not have weak flesh drawing it away from God, it is united perfectly with God. God cannot have you enter His kingdom without first calling you into faith and second giving you this body, otherwise you remain able to be tempted.…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,
You wrote:
READ, you are GREATLY misinterpreting verse 26 and applying it to the wrong people.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her,Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: READ Romans 8!

Me:

10 …your body is subject to death because of sin,…
11 … give life to your mortal bodies…
12 …if you live according to the flesh, you will die;
20…the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay
23… the redemption of our bodies.

It is the body that needs to be redeemed at the coming of the Messia…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You quoted me:

“You: 1 Thes 4:16… and the dead in Christ will rise first…

Me: Click on the link below. Then click on 450 above “will rise”.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/4-16.htm
The best fitting definition to the whole scheme presented is:
c. to raise up, cause to be born: σπέρμα offspring (Genesis 38:8),…[Read more]

Hi Jodi,

You: 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Me: When we are baptized, we are born into a new life. This is the first step to salvation.
Click on the link below. Then click on 313…[Read more]