Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
Me: Our tent or tabernacle live in here on earth s a temporary dwelling
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
You: Fifth, the Old Testament speaks of the resurrection as being physical: “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2).
Me: This corresponds to:
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the whi…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
You: Fourth, Jesus speaks of the resurrection as involving the coming forth of individuals out of their tombs, which clearly indicates a physical concept of the resurrection: “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a r…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
You: Second, Philippians 3:20-21 a) teaches us that Christ’s resurrection body is the pattern of our resurrection body: “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ; who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory.”
Me: a) Chris…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
You: First, simply to speak of a “resurrection” of the dead (Matthew 22:30-31; Luke 14:14; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16) is to imply physicality. That is what a resurrection is. The Bible has no categories for the concept of a resurrected body that remains dead and physically lying in a grave.
Me:
1 Cor 15:37 And tha…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
done
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
Sorry about calling you Gene and Gene you. I do have a one track mind sometimes when I am focusing on something.
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
I made a few clumsy errors. The Word was in the beginning with God and was God. All things were created by the word or expression of God. When God speaks through his Word, he creates. The Word or God pre-existed. Christ did not. The Word became one with Christ at Christ’s conception as a human being. Thus, if you say that Christ create…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
You:
The Son of David?
Yes of course, from the world’s perspective, both Joseph and Mary were Jesus’s legal parents who were the direct descendants of King David and Abraham, and ultimately of Adam. Therefore, this is why Jesus is referred to as the son of Joseph, and also the son of David, in the genealogies of Christ as given in Luke 3: 23-3…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
He Anthony,
Me:
Christ could not descend from Joseph as a inheritor of the throne of David, even as an adopted son because of the curse on King Jeconiah in Joseph’s line. But Christ could be an inheritor through his mother’s line. So who was the biol…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
You: THE TRUTH OF GOD THE SON
Me: First of All “God the Son” is a Trinitarian rendering. It should be the Son of God.
You: Christ pre-existed as the only begotten Son of His Father God before He existed as the Son of Man
Me:
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh…
Me: And not the son of God was made flesh. The Word was made flesh and calle…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hey Anthony,
I will continue posting shortly. I have a non medical emergency to tend to right now. Please do not respond until I finish.
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
You:
Ephesians 3:14-15
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.Me: True, but it will not be “Yahweh”.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he him…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
Me: God’s character is too comprehensive to know as mortal humans. YHWH is what we call God now; it is not his true name. To say that YHWH cannot be pronounced is bull. That is not God’s incomprehensible name.
https://biblehub.com/judges/13-18.htm
Judges 13:8 (NIV) “Why do you ask my name?” the angel of the LORD replied. “It is
[Read more] Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Gene,
THE TRUTH OF GOD THE FATHER
You: “Then, who was He? He was none other than the only begotten Son of His Father God. True Christianity is absolutely founded upon believing in who the true Christ of the Bible is.
Me: Absolutely agree. There is only one true birthed son of God into the flesh of man. The rest of us become sons of God t…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
I wish you would have stuck to the topic of what we disagree upon. On the other hand, I see we agree with much. Any way, let us go over what you have stated and what we disagree upon.
Opening:
You…include all men and angels, without a single exception, as His created sons of God.
Me: Yes, Christ as the son of God was not created. W…[Read more]
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Anthony,
Please do not respond to my posts until I have finished writing down my response to your “book”. I agree with most of it overall, but disagree over some particularities.
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Gene,
You: TC…YOU TEACH Jesus himself is the CHRISTO’, as many others do also, that is far from the truth as you can get, Jesus recieved the christo’s, into him, scripture plainly says it was GOD THE FATHER WHO RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD, JESUS EVEN SAID he was “dead” , but you believe he was not truly dead, making JESUS INTO A LIAR.
Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago
Hi Gene,
You: TC…..The spirit of God is in the mind of all who have his spirit “in” them , God’s became flesh when his spirit entered into JESUS AT HIS BAPTIZM AT THE JORDAN RIVER. AND IT WAS NOT Jesus who said destroy this temple and in three days I shall raise it up, that was God the Father speaking first person through Jesus’ mouth. Because J…[Read more]
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