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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Hi All,

     

    Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

    Me: David was conceived in iniquity. We are conceived with enmity towards God. Even to have hate in your heart is sin.

    Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then…[Read more]

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    Of course their are the other 48 or so “son of God” verses.  You can’t discount them all.

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    Hi Nick,

    How do you know that King NEBUCHADNEZZAR did not know what the son of God looked like?  You have to infer that he did.

    Dan 3:25 He ( King NEBUCHADNEZZAR)  answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of Go…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Jodi, please explain

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    How was the Word which is God, made flesh?

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Question:

    Job 25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

    Answer: 

    Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh.

    Me: All men have sin in their flesh except…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 1 month ago

    Jodi,

     

    1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Me: This means that the Messiah had no sin from conception.  John the…[Read more]

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    No, Gene,

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the…[Read more]

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    Hi All,

    To say that Christ did not have the spirit of God until Jordan and that John the Baptist did at birth is complete folly and shows a lack of understanding of who the Messiah is and the true sacrifice that is of God through man.

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    All words or phrases in the quotation marks in  the above post are mine.

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    Hi All,

     

    Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

     

    You: So this doesn’t say anything to you
    Proverbs 8:24-30 (NIV)
    24 When there were no oceans,I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; 25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth. 26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. 27 I was t…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony:

    You: Angels Cannot be Sons of God
    “For unto which of the angels said he at any time,
    ‘You are my Son, this day have I begotten you?’ And again,
    ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?’”
    • Hebrews 1:5
    I believe Paul wrote Hebrews, and that Paul repeats in a very short amount of space the same rhetorical question whic…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony.

     

    You:

    Who taught it? Apollinaris of Laodicea (4th century)

    Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God,

    You: Key text? John 1:14: “The Word became flesh” .

    Me:

    1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

    Me: The Wor…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

    You:

    “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,
    the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence .
    • Colossians 1:17–18
    • He is before all things
    • All things consist in Him
    • All things come after Him
    • NOTE: He is f…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

     

    You: Elohim, notoriously and purposefully takes singular verbs almost always, with few exceptions. Here is what I am looking to put forth today: “Elohim”communicates plurality even when it is used singularly. We can know this because:
    • God had other words He could have used (the two singular terms, El and Eloah).
    • Elohim other t…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

    Me: Christ is not God incarnate. He is not the Word incarnate. He is not the Word of God with a body all at once. God does not change. The Word (exact spirit image of God’s mind) was conceived in and with the human Messiah’s mind and body. As God Almighty cannot change, the Word could not change because it is the exact spirit ima…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    Hi Anthony,

    You: I think this is very significant and important because it has a bearing on Christ as to His nature and His situation as “the Son of God” and “the only begotten Son of God”(John 3:18). Notice that the term “only-begotten” takes on new importance when you realize there are other Sons of God in the mix.

    Me:

    Christ is the only tr…[Read more]

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    Truthcomber replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 6 years, 2 months ago

    He Ed,

    You wrote:

    Things just don’t add up as many speak on this thread.
    Micah 5:2 And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forth — to be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth of old, From the days of antiquity.

    Me: I consider your post the closest to the truth of what was posted her…[Read more]

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    Me: This should be my last post on this subject since I believe nothing more of significance can be added.

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