Georg,Jesus was not lying, kidding, or even mistaken.  Instead the English language can be deceptive which cause many miscommunications of which I am sure you have experienced your share as they seem common.   Let’s look at what scripture states about Elijah.2 Kings 2:1(NIV) reads:Quote When the Lord was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whi…[Read more]

Mike Boll,I do take Micah 5:2, Philippians 2 and John 17:5 literally. I just take into account that God know all things even those that will occur in the future and acts according to that knowledge. I also take into account that God is righteous and commands his people to be righteous. Both of those are godly principles. Still that has…[Read more]

Ed J.A spiritual body is a resurrected body just like Jesus’ but not like Lazarus’.We can have the Holy Spirit in our worldly body.  I am using different definition for the word spirit when speaking of the Holy Spirit and Speaking of the Spiritual body.  The Holy Spirit is the immaterial guide for our actions that also is the active force of God a…[Read more]

Pierre,The fact that Paul was unsure means that either possibility could happen as Paul was speaking as the Holy Spirit moved him to.   It follows therefore that the Holy Spirit testified through Paul that both possibilities could happen.  This conclusion is true if Paul is speaking the Word of God and not just what he believes is true.That is t…[Read more]

Just Askin,I am going to disagree that Jesus was the only human being with a Spiritual body at the time scripture was written as Scripture tells us that both Enoch and Elijah went to heaven while still living and did not return until Elijah did briefly many centuries later. We also know that the body of Moses was fault over by Satan and an…[Read more]

Shimmer,I like the fellowship.  I like helping others.  I am currious about many things and so seek the truth of them.  I like debating.   Pehaps a little of everything you said plus some applies to me.You can learn the truth as one man sharpens another as one piece of iron sharpens another.  I believe that is a proverb but my memory is far from the best.

Pierre,Enoch did not die as scripture states he walked with God and then was not, i.e. or in other words not of this world. Neither did Elijah which whom scripture explicitly states was taken up into heaven while living. Mosses did die and his body was fought over by Satan and an archangel. I only know he went to heaven because he appeared in a…[Read more]

Shimmer,You said:I believe a spiritual body can appear in the FORM of a human body. Have you ever considered that there could be another of spiritual that did not mean immaterial? For instance spiritual in this case could be a synonym for supernatural, i.e. existing outside what we consider is the natural world. Look at Jesus’ resurrected body a…[Read more]

Ed J.You wrote:Quote 1) Speak for yourself; don't include me in on that!God includes you and I am just repeating what I hear from scripture.  Please study 1 Corinthians 15.You wrote:Quote 2) How long have you known them for?I have no idea as they were introduced to me by the writers of scripture.  You can meet them the same way by reading of E…[Read more]

Pierre,Point 1: I wrote:Quote Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh.I am speaking only of human beings. It is in 1 Corinthians 15-52-55.Point 2:I wrote:Quote I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens. That is Enoch, Genesis 5:24 and Elijah,2 Kings…[Read more]

Just Askin,I am certain that a spiritual body is just like Jesus’ body during and after his resurrection in that is cannot be permanently harmed in any way and cannot die though it has a material present. This resulted in Jesus’ resurrection when he was transformed.Any wound suffered can be healed or retained with no negative results. Thi…[Read more]

Mike Boll,I wrote:Quote I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God.You wrote:Quote Which scriptures please?That is Acts 17:28 specifically but you should study the whole passage from verse 24 to verse 29 that describes God. It is informative.

Pierre,Hebrews 2 it states that human kind was created a little lower than the angels and that from their ranks Jesus was raised to be King everything in heaven and on earth. This agrees with Matthew 28:18.Nebuchadnezzar was not lower than his subjects even though he suffered from madness as he was still king. Please note that the writer of…[Read more]

Ed J.,Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh.  I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens.  Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the t…[Read more]

Mike Boll,I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God. I am at the same time spiritually separated from God by my sins. Jesus erases that separation by enabling me to make peace with God through living by the new covenant.

Pierre,In Heb 1:5 the writer is arguing that Jesus is not an angel as if no angel is called the Son of God then Jesus cannot be an angel.Earlier in Hebrews Jesus is called a man when the writer stated “man was created a little lower than the angels” and proceeded to treat Jesus as a man but stating he was elevated from that lowly status to one hig…[Read more]

Pierre,Where do you think that Moses resided after his body was claimed by the archangel and he visited with Jesus as witnessed by Jesus’ disciples?Where do you think Enoch resided after his body was transformed from corrupt flesh to spiritual flesh and before he and Moses visited with Jesus?I am interested in your thoughts on the matter.

Ed J.Have you considered 2 Corinthians 2 to 4. I do in my last post to Just Askin. Do you see any errors in what I learned from those verses?

Pierre,It is clear in scripture that Jesus was tempted by evil just as us but Worshiping Jesus, and perhaps others, have a different interpretation than I do.  In addition I would like to hear the answers to the questions I asked and understand how others tie them together.  I have blind spots and discussions with others can illuminate those spots.

George,I agree Enoch was transformed as those still living will be on that day but he is not still walking the earth today as far as I know.  I also know that he and Moses spent time with Jesus when the the later was transfigured.  Other than that I know an archangel claimed the body of Mosses.  I believe both went to heaven after those ex…[Read more]