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    Mike Boll,Why do you say in your heart that all flesh is the same when God states all flesh is not the same?  Is not it self evident that the natural flesh and blood of a maple tree is not the same as the natural flesh and blood of a human being?

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2010,17:10)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 01 2011,04:08)Irene and George,Acts 1:9-11 bears witness to the fact that Jesus was flesh and blood when he was taken up into heaven and in it two angels fortell that he will return even as he ascended.I am curious how you choose to interpret that scripture.  This actually belongs in the…[Read more]

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    Gene,The discussion I am currently having with Tim is about how Jesus properly interpreted the law using the command of love your neighbor as a “code breaker”.  There is some additional points to understanding the law that I intend to make.  This discussion is on topic as you must understand God's dispensation of the law to understand how it d…[Read more]

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    DK,It is plausible that men chose to leave it out for the reason you state as they might have considered it something added by corrupt man. I cannot say.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 9 months ago

    Irene and George,Acts 1:9-11 bears witness to the fact that Jesus was flesh and blood when he was taken up into heaven and in it two angels fortell that he will return even as he ascended.I am curious how you choose to interpret that scripture. This actually belongs in the topic about what bodies spiritual beings have.

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    Shimmer,I cannot say whether Ed is wrong about Jesus comming in his Spiritual form as it depends on what he means. After all according to Scripture those that believe are a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.  We know that this is only possible because Jesus to lives in them by his Spirit.Ephesians 2:22 reads:Quote And in him you too are…[Read more]

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    Ed J.,Please read my post to Kathy.  Thank you.According to scripture it is possible to sin when one has the Spirit of Christ dwelling in you.  You instructed not to deny that you have sinned but instead to confess that sin.  This instruction comes with a promise and that promise is that God will cleanse you of unrighteousness.   I am not say…[Read more]

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    Kathy,First I forgot to comment you on your process of first taking what you conceived as a sin to your brother you believed committed it and attempting to handle it is private communications before bringing it to the group.If I were to guess Ed J. feels you are falsely accusing him and has not gotten past that hurt feeling.   This is fairly…[Read more]

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    Tim,You appear not to know the laws of Moses or of certain scriptures in the New Testament. First the Ten Commandments are only part of The Law of Mosses which all came from God. The difference between it and the rest of the Law is that God spoke it and the people heard him speaking and were so frightened that they begged him to use Moses as a…[Read more]

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    Astaria,Hello,  Thank you for participation.So your point is that Jesus was not longer of another kind when he was transformed into a human being and so did not have the characteristics of the kind he was before the transformtion.   Do you know of other accounts in scripture when one kind was transformed into another.  A frog perhaps begame a pr…[Read more]

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    Quote (Laurel @ Dec. 31 2010,08:15)I know nothing about Je_us, but Yahushua the Messiah was tempted whic is to say that HaSatan promised him the whole world if Yahushua would bow to HaSan, but Yahushua Messiah did not fall into that temptation. He did not even consider the offer!You seem not to understand how the people Jesus' time named their…[Read more]

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    Marty,I agree if the Spirit is referred to as God’s word it is not a declaration that they are exactly the same thing but merely that in one aspect the Spirit is the Word.I am not completely sure of some things about the Spirit and one thing is whether God literally dwells in Jesus through the word of that it is Jesus that is doing just what God w…[Read more]

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    Irene,Even if this interpretation of John 1:1-17 is correct it does not prove that Jesus is non-preexistent. All it would prove is that the Spirit of God exists with God in some sense and is God is some sense and that the Spirit came down to dwell in Jesus thus making him God With Us. It would also prove that God With Us is the light that…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,15:23)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 30 2010,19:23)Irene,Why do you believe Jesus has the title of Word of God and God’s own Spirit does not?I believe Ed was attempted to show by quoting Scripture that the Sword spoken of in Revelations 19:15 is the Word of God and we are instructed that the prophets of old spoke that same Word a…[Read more]

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    Worshipping Jesus,I put little trust in experts that I consider men that probably are not carried along by the Spirit of God when they translate scripture.  I do believe that God exists and is active and thus can speak for himself without an expert to translate or interpret what he states.  The only expert he chooses is Jesus and the rest are at b…[Read more]

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    Pierre,Scripture states the Spirit is both given and dwells in those in the New Covenant.  These scripture should answer your question.John 3:34(NIV) reads:Quote For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.1 Thessalonians 4:8 reads:Quote Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not…[Read more]

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    Mike Boll,This does not seem hard to understand by one whom claims scripture that is written by men is the Word of God.   It does not care what instrument God used be it dog, man, angel, or even a donkey the word he speaks through them still originates with him.  I am totally convinced Jesus speaks the Word of God.   Is a man speaking through th…[Read more]

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    Pierre,Are you stating that the Spirit of Christ does not dwell in Jesus?Are you stating that the individual known as God with Us is not the light that gives light to the world?Are you stating that the Spirit of God is not the part of God that he uses as a conduit to dwell within his servants and so in that way is God?Are you stating that the…[Read more]

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    Irene,Why do you believe Jesus has the title of Word of God and God’s own Spirit does not?I believe Ed was attempted to show by quoting Scripture that the Sword spoken of in Revelations 19:15 is the Word of God and we are instructed that the prophets of old spoke that same Word as they were carried along by the Spirit of Christ.Jesus speaks that w…[Read more]

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    Ed J.I realize Jesus is part of the unity of the spirit of God and so the Holy Spirit dwells in him. That is the reason the Spirit of God is also known as the Spirit of Christ. I also realize that the Spirit of Christ dwelled and dwells with God just as our spirit dwells with us. It is also us in that we live by it and so it is our…[Read more]

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