Irene,I was speaking of angels during the time they are recorded as being observed by men such as Lot, Balaam, and others not when they are in heaven. I was wondering if you believed they manufactured the bodies of human beings at that time or instead manufactured angelic bodies that only appear human like. It is also possible you instead…[Read more]

Istari,I see you do not agree with what I say but are unwilling, in some cases, to point out why that is so. Take the post you address Irene about and that you accuse her and me of sharing delusions. What delusions are we sharing in that post since we agree on some things and not others? Do you perhaps not believe that Revelations is not…[Read more]

Istari,I do know what brought Paul to Rome but that is not the issue in Acts 28:17-28.  In this scripture Paul is addressing all the Jewish leaders who came before him as brothers whether righteous or not.  It is plausible he was referring to national instead of religious. He later rebukes those who refuse to believe.  I find that unlikely as Je…[Read more]

Pierre,Angels are not even required as God could have chosen to speak to Lot from the boards of his house or the air in his home if he chose to.  In this case it appears that God tested Lot’s heart toward strangers and keeping his word.   God could have easily sent humans to do the same even humans that were unaware they were serving God in suc…[Read more]

Ed J.Mystism is much and falsely maligned in this age of “reason”.  Jesus used it as a teaching tool as did many other Jews of his time.   I believe that in your use of the bible code you ignorantly take the concepts too far but that is an issue you need to deal with God about as I am merely a messenger at best.  If you truly do it to honor the Lo…[Read more]

Princess,Thank you for your words of encouragement.

Pierre,The story of Lot and the two angels that visited him show they are not immaterial beings as like Jesus, after his resurrection, they were both touched and ate. Is the flesh of angels like the flesh of men before their resurrection?

Irene,Thank you for that piece of insight into your personal history that is meant to shed light on why you believe angels manifest into human flesh.    Do you believe they actually change kinds and become humans for a time or that they instead merely appear to be human but are still angels?I believe the flesh of angels is not the flesh of p…[Read more]

Istari,So it seems you have concluded that angels change their kind from angel to human at times when they visit humans.   I will have to look at that hypothesis based on the Hebrew word used and the context of what you are stating.  It will be interesting to do.  Scripture does not say these angels manifested a body.  So from what I see that is…[Read more]

George,The other thread “Do Spirits have bodies” is currently undergoing a flood and that is most likely partly responsible for my decision. Another factor is that this thread is about studying a particular scripture to find out what God is teaching us about the bodies of angels in it. Other factors are most likely involved.

Pierre,It is interesting to hear that the two of the angels had more than one task that was assigned to them by God.  I wonder where the third one parted company and how they traveled from one location to the other.I agree that it would be nice to know what they were doing before meeting Abraham.  It does seem they appeared in his presence t…[Read more]

George,I am studiing particular scriptures with angels in them to discover what they say or demonstrate about the bodies of angels. That is why I wrote the primary post in the way I did.

Istari,Beware of arrogance for I assure you that you are not everyone and your opinion is not the opinion of everyone.   You have yet to produce evidence that contradicts the claims of scripture that the Witch of Endor summoned the soul of Samuel.   Pierre has at least explained why he believes that is the case by stating his interpretation and a…[Read more]

Pierre,It is a good question that you propose but I do not see how the mystery of why the donkey’s life was to be spared has any bearing of this study to determine what the story of Balaam and his donkey tell us of the bodies of angels.  I do not know the answer to your question though I could point out that only Balaam was accountable for his si…[Read more]

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Pierre,I am not using someone else to what is in scripture.  I am using a Jew of the same time to understand things as a Jew would.  I also will use a Gentile of the same time to understand things as a Gentile would.  The advantage of Philo of Alexander is that he is a Jew explaining the Jewish point of view to Gentiles and so I get a look at a Ro…[Read more]

Irene,I can see from the context that Revelations 12:4 may well be speaking of the fall of the angels and of the Devil.  Now considering the fact that 1 Corinthians 15:39 states not all flesh is the same do you believe the flesh that angels have in scriptures such as the their visit to Lot’s house is the same as the flesh of humans?I see no re…[Read more]

Astari,Paul called non believing Jews his brothers in Acts 28:17.   Heresy is a sin just like any other sin.  Is one claiming to be a believer while living a sinful lifestyle a brother or not?  I suppose that depends if they are addicted to that lifestyle or have the choice to leave it and are corruptly, as opposed to ignorantly, continuing it.  I…[Read more]

Lightenup,Ed J. is a mystic and he uses mystic interpretations.  That should be clear to anyone that knows him since he is fond of a bible code.  Make sure he is actually misquoting you and not using a mystical interpretation of a play on your words to make his own point.  Jesus made a mystical play on the subject of the temple in Jerusalem to ma…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 04 2011,13:43)I think he was probably referring to humans given that we can inherit eternal life. I don't think that rabbits are leaping about in the third heaven for instance.Paul does state that Paradise, which is translated “Garden”, is there.  The Garden did have both plants and animals in it as well as humans.  I am not s…[Read more]