Irene,I am attempting to show you that a spiritual body can be a material body. The body is defined as “the organized physical substance of an animal or plant either living or dead” and “the material part or nature of a human being”A ghost is a spirit of a type being a soul and it exists without a body between the time a person dies until they ar…[Read more]

Georg,The Beareans were said to be noble because the tested the spirit of what Paul taught against what scripture stated. I have stated my intention is to find out what scripture states about these things. Your refer to Genesis 6:4 as if it speaks of angels and yet it does not explicitly state “angels” in that verse nor does the context of Gen…[Read more]

Pierre,It means to be fully mature in Christ. That is that like him you will at that time choose not to sin even though you are still tempted to the same degree you are now.

To all,I pray to God as Jesus is the one God made King and it is inapropriate to pray to a King, even the King. You can still petition The King as steven did. I am not sure how different than praying that is.

George,Thank you for what you have stated. I am searching scriptures to discover if scripture states the same thing. It does seem that scriptures are immaterial beings but there is the possibility they are material ministering spirits or similar material spirits.I am looking for a solid scriptureal connection between demons and fallen angels.

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 11 2011,14:39)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 09 2011,19:46)Pierre,It appears that one must literally ascend to enter heaven.Where in the Bible do you read that any one, human, will go to heaven?GeorgGeorg,I assume you mean besides Jesus.2 Kings 2:1(NIV) reads:Quote When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 11 2011,16:14)Georg,All true students are called saints.  I believe you are speaking of martyrs.  I will have to look it up.  Revelations 20:4 specifically mentions those that beheaded because of the name of Christ.  That could be just one example of the types of martyrdom they suffered or a specific type of they suf…[Read more]

Georg,All true students are called saints.  I believe you are speaking of martyrs.  I will have to look it up.  Revelations 20:4 specifically mentions those that beheaded because of the name of Christ.  That could be just one example of the types of martyrdom they suffered or a specific type of they suffered.

Irene,   What is the differency of a being with form and one with body?In the sense I speak a form has shape and structure but not matrial substance.  To be of the human kind one must have a human body as that is what determines kind.Here is my source of definitions.

betweenchristendomandjws, Excellent point!

Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 11 2011,09:50)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 11 2011,04:52)Quote (shimmer @ Jan. 10 2011,12:53)Mike, today was a beautiful day. The sun was shining, the wind was breezy, I couldn't see the wind, but I could see the trees blowing gently in it.Shimmer……….So it is with the Spirit (IN) you you can't see it but it does move and…[Read more]

Pierre,God works in the ways he chooses and not in the way I or you choose. If God chooses to reveal an insight or show me an error in my doctrine through another who am I to to say no to him.In this issue I am not certain.

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 09 2011,19:16)Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 10 2011,02:46)Pierre,It appears that one must literally ascend to enter heaven.Kerwinyou mean if you are in the basement ,if you want to go out you have to come up ??PierreThat is correct.

Pierre,I am not yet like Christ and so it follows I am not completely out of the dark.  When I have learned all that Jesus teaches then I will be like the teacher even as he teaches us.Luke 6:40(NIV) reads:Quote The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

Pierre,I believe God uses angels as messengers because he is separated from us by our sins. Instead He may use them just because that is what he chooses to do.What are your thoughts on the matter?

Pierre,It appears that one must literally ascend to enter heaven.

Pierre,I am not sure as I appreciate input from others and from scripture. I am certain God is already giving me what he knows I need in my search. At the present time I am like a wave on the sea going one way then another. This is a poor place to be.

To all,Mispost. I am posting it in correct thread.

Kangaroo Jack,You make a good point to my thinking.

To all,Too many here have chosen to teach before they have completing learning and so preach what is from the devil instead of what is from God.There is a reason we are taught to watch our life and doctrine and from the fruit of both many show themselves to be still enslaved to sin.  When you are free then you are qualified to teach.  Until then y…[Read more]