Pierre,I may of confused you since I was unaware there is a negative connotation to the word “temptation” in our present culture. I will use the synonym draw instead as God appoints his angelic messengers to draw us into doing good while Satan appoints his angelic messengers to draw un into doing evil. I agree that God does not draw us into…[Read more]

Mike Boll,Actually,  Adam is of the opinion that the words of God are in conflict with the words of Mosses and the Prophets.  The question you should address is how you as a believer see things differently since Scripture cannot conflictlIt is true if one believes what God states then they must understand it correctly.  Do you?If you do then sh…[Read more]

Mike,If you remember scripture used the word “world” to designate the present corrupted environment of earth that is full of sinful desires.The sons of man are those who seek to fullfil the desires of the flesh while the sons of God are those who seek after righteousness.   The children of Israel are also called the children of God because they…[Read more]

Gene,We have not necessary vered off the topic as when Jesus speaks of overcomming the world he means the desires of this would which is the temptation to do evil.Pierre is addressing the question of who God is. That important to having faith in the one true God as a God that has different characteristics than the one true God is a false God.…[Read more]

Adam.The idea of evil as total depravity is a Western conceptl The Jews view sin more as being self centered. That is why Jesus taught us to deny ourselfs and follow him. If you are correct then is sounds as if Augustine was looking as slavery to sin from worldly eyes.

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To all,Names have meaning in Scripture so God is a name of our creator as well as a title.  He has other names which are also titles.  The reason God is his name is because he is The God.

Heaven,Things happen. I am glad you were able to resolve it without restoring a less than up to date backup. Thank you for the hard work!

Adam,I have thought about what you wrote in regards to humanity being created with the impulse to do evil as well as the impulse to do good.  I agree that may well be the case but though Adam's choice to sin all humanity became enslaved to sin unless they recieved the Spirit of Holyness from God.  The Spirit of God in its role as the Councelor o…[Read more]

Mike,I do acknowledge that Adam, as the one in authority, bears a greater guilt for sin entering the world than does Eve who was subject to him.  Never the less we are taught that both Adam and Eve and their decendents were punished by God and that men inherit the punishment from Adam as woman inherit theirs from Eve.  Woman after all suffer the p…[Read more]

Pierre,I am stating that God tempts us to do good and the scripture you quoted states he does not tempt us to do evil.  There is no disagreement between the two.

To all,I agree believers are refined just as these scriptures state:Zechariah 13:9This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”Malachi 3:2But who can endure the day of his co…[Read more]

Shimmer,I am one that believes angels tempt us to do what is right just as devils tempt us to do what is evil.  Never the less it is our spirit which decides which bait we choose to take.  If our spirit is inclined toward evil at that time we chase the bait of the devil but if it is inclined toward good then we chase the bait of the angel.  I ca…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 10 2011,01:34)Shimmer ………Good post, but i would replace the Angel thing with Spirit but either way it follows the same line Sis.peace and love……………………………………….geneGene,I tend to believe angel is a mistranslation of spirit as what is described sounds more like a spirit than an angel.…[Read more]

To all,I disagree that we presently are presently cast into the final fire.  Those who believe are being purefied by the fire of the Spirit of Holyness.   On the other hand those who do not believe remain under the wrath of God.Shimmer brought up a good point and that is that sin seperates us from God while Jesus brings us close by sealing God's p…[Read more]

Adam,I am currently looking into the common Jewish version of the Origional Sin tenet, though they do not call it that. I have touched on it in the Dying with Christ thread on this forum. I may also write what I learn in your thread about the Origional Sin tenet.

Irene,Scripture declares we will succeed in doing away with sin if we strive through faith to defeat it.  It is just one more miracle that Jesus performs by the power of God.  But in order to defeat sin through faith you must believe you will defeat it.   Your faith is not in your own power but rather in the power of God who created the un…[Read more]

To all,I have read more about the two natures of man and the idea that the Hebrew word “vayyitzer”, translated to the English word “formed”, in Genesis 2:7 has two yods.  It is inferred from this unusual spelling that the two yods stand for the word “yetzer” or “impulse”.These two yetzer's battle against one enother much like what Paul describes…[Read more]

To all,According to Jewish thought on the word of God is that man has both an inclination to do evil, yetzer ra, and an inclination to do good,  yetzer tov.I know nothing about the yetzer tov being mentioned in scripture.  It could be some strange teaching the crept in or it may be I am not understanding its connection with its synomyns in s…[Read more]

Gene,Sounds good. I also have a thread on the promised of the new covenant in the scripture/biblical forum.