To all,A scripture to consider.Quote 2 Corinthians 5 (Young's Literal Translation) 1For we have known that if our earthly house of the tabernacle may be thrown down, a building from God we have, an house not made with hands — age-during — in the heavens, 2for also in this we groan, with our dwelling that is from heaven earnestly desiring to…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 30 2011,16:51)Guys,All believe what you will here.There are two resurrections:The first will be for those whose names are written into the book of life. They will be in heaven with Christ as his brothers and as heirs, princes to God the father.The second for those who do not attain to the first but are still believers who…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 30 2011,07:49)Marty! You still don;t get it.  There are several Scrioptures that tell us, Jesus was only a Spirit Being…. And flesh and blood cannot inherit any Kingdom of God….The King of Kings is seated at the right hand of His Father who is a Spirit Being, and YOU think that His body also came from Heaven?  Is that w…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote you right Christ was there and all creation was created after he was created.that is what scriptures say;If you are speaking of the Spirit of Christ then I agree as it clearly states in the story of the old creation that the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.If you are speaking of the new Creation that I agree that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 30 2011,00:11)Christ is not mention as a believer ,he is the son of God there never was a question of his believe in his father,we have to believe in him who came down from heaven to make us known the father,but all believers can be one ,but not for that reason be in heaven .it is one in spirit with God that make us all…[Read more]

Pierre,You wrote:Quote Kerwinthe spirit of God is not God it is of God, God is a tittle but the being who as that tittle is a full being ,so it cannot be divided,being one with God mean that you stand with him in his will,and so do what he requires from you.this then would be called have the same spirit or being in the same spirit,Pierre Quote Ephe…[Read more]

May God watch over you all!

Quote (karmarie @ April 27 2011,09:30)Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 27 2011,15:34)Visions happened back then, but I don't think Humans will appreciate “visions” instead of their real family you know.  I need to know how to be able to explain this to the person who believes all good people go to heaven.BC&JW, I don't quite get your…[Read more]

Pierre,I am speaking of believers, including Jesus, who are made the Sons of God by receiving the Spirit of sonship; just as scripture declares.Quote Romans 8:15The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, F…[Read more]

WJ,I am not sure what you mean when you state the word “hypostasis” is found in scripture. Since I did not find the literal word in scripture and you have not cited a scripture that literally states it I conclude you mean that the ideal expressed by the word “hypostasis” is found in scripture.From what I understand the meaning you are using f…[Read more]

Mike Boll,It could very well mean “to be strong” or “to be in front” depending on what “El” is derived from but that argument seems to ignores the general Semitic etymologies and thus is a weak argument according this except from Webster’s online dictionary. Quote EtymologyThe most likely derivation comes from the word Elohim ('lhm) found in the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 26 2011,00:06)Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2011,01:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,01:24)Quote (kerwin @ April 23 2011,02:01)To all,Looking at John 3:10-13 it seems clear Jesus is speaking of the Word, spoken of in John 1:1-18, that was with the Elohim and was elohima in the beginning as the Word came down and united…[Read more]

Mike Boll,An exert or experts expressed the idea Elohim means God's family. I have read your post but since I am feeling tired tonight I plan on answering it later, God willing.

Irene,Jesus is in the heavens but he is still striving to defeat the enemies of God’s people and his people in this world.  You wrote:Quote Take a closer look at verse 14Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.  WE BEHELD HIS…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 27 2011,20:34)Kerwin…………  I believe No Physical flesh and blood Being of any kind  (BY IT SELF)  Can inherit anything.  That would be like saying the House can inherit a man, that is not possible, neither does a physical any thing inherit a Spiritual thing. The spirit (IN) and  through SPIRIT inherits the Spir…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,04:19)Hi AllKathi and I have been having a discussion about the “nature” of Jesus in reference to the Father.The early Church Fathers used the term to explain the “Oneness” of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit and their respective Ontology.The early Church battled with heresies and had to adopt…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 28 2011,05:47)Hi All,This is my post from page nine – my first post on this thread:Quote There has never been a known occasion in the history of the world where someone who was brought forth into existence wasn't also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist.  I exist now because I was brought forth.  But because I was b…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 27 2011,13:11)So Kerwin, do you believe so many will go to Heaven and so many will be on a paradise earth (after the resurection)?I do not believe such a tenet.I am prone to believe we will be like angels and able to travel between the different realms of God.  I cannot say that either belief is anything but speculation as…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 27 2011,12:21)Quote (kerwin @ April 27 2011,18:13)Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,07:30)Sorry about all the posts. Ok, ill be quiet:)It is rather hard to have a conversation with someone who chooses not to hold up their end.Rather than be quiet, just try to combine similar posts if possible.Thanks for the advice Kerwin.You…[Read more]

Irene,Please reread First Corinthians 15:50 again and you will see the word is “inherent” and not “enter”.  Those two words mean different things.For example a man inherits a house while his visitor who enters the same house does not inherit it.  As for me stating that God has not yet placed everything under the feet of Jesus, Scripture states th…[Read more]