Duplicate post. Calling it a night.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,07:35)Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2011,23:32)A few points:1) I do not see the implied “all” you read into that sentence.2) The scripture you refer to does not say “enter” it states “inherit”3) Another scripture makes it clear Paul does not know if a man while yet in his natural body entered heaven in that body or not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,08:31)Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2011,23:48)Mike you open yourself up on that claim as Jesus states he sent his disciples into the world as he was sent into the world.Hi Kerwin,How many of Jesus' disciples said “I came DOWN from heaven”?  Stick with the Bizzaro reasoning I actually posted, and if you can, refute MY…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,08:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2011,07:10)Mike…………..Kind of like you and your root and offspring of David thing right,  So i would not be so hard on the trinitarians when you preexistence are doing the same thing right?.peace and love……………………………geneThank you Gene for this…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,12:38)KerwinQuote Pierre,It is your immagination that is teaching you if you do not believe scripture mean what God says.  I hope that is not the case and instead you realize that God is quite capable of saying something in such a way to have more than one meaning especially since human beings can and God far…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,08:14)John 6:38 – For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.Non-preexister:  Jesus meant that the prophecy of him came down from heaven.But the Jews understood him to be saying HE came down from heaven, right?John 6:42 – They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Jo…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2011,02:57)Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2011,13:12)Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2011,22:22)Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2011,08:58)Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2011,23:37)KerwinQuote Isa 7:13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? Isa 7…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Kerwin:  Your Strong's definition only goes to prove MY point:  If the Greek word refers to someone possessed BY a demon, then the evil spirit that person is possessed by IS a demon.  But this one should answer the question once and for all:Mark 512 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gav…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote it is the dead of Christ that Paul talks about,not his flesh and bones,those where the offerings,with the blood.the resurrection is part of the reward promise that God as given trough Jesus,and so it is his resurrection that is the example.So we agree that Jesus’ resurrection is an example of the final resurrection.Quote I do not r…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,01:11)kerwinQuote That should be enough all by itself to convince you but in case you require more consider Paul speaks of his own body from heaven just as Jesus spoke of his in John 2:19.  Paul speaks of such in 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 with these words.Quote  2 Corinthians 5 (New International Version (NIV))1 For we k…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2011,01:11)kerwinQuote That should be enough all by itself to convince you but in case you require more consider Paul speaks of his own body from heaven just as Jesus spoke of his in John 2:19.  Paul speaks of such in 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 with these words.Quote  2 Corinthians 5 (New International Version (NIV))1 For we k…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,01:34)Here's a better one, Kerwin:Matthew 8:16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.The “demons” they were possessed by WERE the “spirits” Jesus drove out of them.Mike,The word “demon-possessed” is a translation fro…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2011,08:04)Quote (Istari @ June 20 2011,09:06)And as for Terraricca, he says nothing of any worth.Just post Scriptures with no meaning – I dont think heaven understand what he is posting – I think he just posts stuff to amuse himself…Terraricca has nothing of value to contribute to this thread – he says NOTHING but posts…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2011,03:54)KerwinQuote Since the spiritual body that is raised is clearly a flesh and bone body that comes from heaven then how does it follow it does not transform into a body of spirit in order to enter heaven? how does that you come to that conclusion???and where that it say what you say that the spiritual body is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,01:34)Here's a better one, Kerwin:Matthew 8:16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.The “demons” they were possessed by WERE the “spirits” Jesus drove out of them.I am a bit busy at this time and may not be able to…[Read more]

Istari,You wrote to Mike Boll:Quote But you were bailed out by Kerwin's inadvertent interjection even thought it is not actually an answer.Actually I was pointing at what I see as the real blockage in communications between you and Mike and that is that mike is certain that all flesh and blood cannot enter the heavens.   That is what you should…[Read more]

Istari,I have not been following your debate with Mike.Since the discussion between you two has become about the correct definition of body as it applies to certain scriptures then shouldn't you explain why you are convinced that definition is used in those scripture and not the other one?Quote Guess who started this nonsensical idea : Yep,…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2011,22:22)Quote (kerwin @ June 20 2011,08:58)Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2011,23:37)KerwinQuote Isa 7:13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of men? Will you try the patience of my God also? Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,00:32)Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2011,12:22)An evil spirit has an evil disposition.There, you have summed it up with your OWN words, Kerwin.An evil “WHAT?” has an evil disposition?The spirit is the actual spirit being who talked back to Jesus saying, “What have we to do with you, Son of Man?”  The spirit is the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2011,00:35)Quote (Istari @ June 19 2011,12:28)And what has 'Spirits in arid places' got to do with having a body?See Kerwin?  I have to take it slow with Istari, or he gets confused.Istari, I will explain (AGAIN!) about the “arid places” for you AFTER you address the other three points.  I have given you the page and p…[Read more]