Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 19 2011,15:14)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 19 2011,15:53)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 19 2011,02:31)Kerwin !  I gave you plenty of Scriptures, its up to you if you believe them or not……Peace IreneIrene,Do you believe scripture when it states that Jesus' human body is the seed of David?If you do then you know his body did not change from…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 19 2011,11:17)KerwinQuote Do you believe scripture when it states that Jesus' human body is the seed of David?witch scripture is saying that ?PierrePierre,Quote Romans 1King James Version (KJV)3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; Romans 1Quote Young's…[Read more]

Mike,I am going to try your method of breaking up various topics into separate conversations.Quote So the first and therefore most popular definition is “root”, just like it is always translated, huh?  So Jesus is the plant root of David?Enough of reducing your argument to an absurdity as I believe you are trying to make the point that “Jesus is…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote it is not a loaded question it is so simple it could be answered by yes or no, I am sure you do not see it as a loaded question and that I do and so I see no sense in debating it.Quote you say you believe the scriptures but not the way it is written ,right ? Scripture is as it is written but words are malleable and so can be…[Read more]

Irene,Quote Now to the New creation. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all he might have the preeminence. After this happened it became the New Creation…. which we are part of , by God Holy Spirit.Before that there was no new creation….We agree that Colossians 1:18…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 19 2011,08:53)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 18 2011,09:16)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2011,15:21)Irene,Quote Kerwin!  No Sir, I only compared those two Scriptures in Rev. 13 to show who Jesus is in John 1:1…. It plainly show that… I also asked you and Marty who that could be in Rev. 19  who that description of that verse is?  You or Ma…[Read more]

Mike,Quote I see.  So the words are “I AM”, the question becomes, “I AM WHAT?”, and we are just allowed to fill in any answer to that question?  Your version could be, “Before Abraham was made, I am”.  But there is no Greek word from which to get “great/anointed”, either referring to Abraham or Jesus.In other words, you are just adding in wh…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 19 2011,02:31)Kerwin !  I gave you plenty of Scriptures, its up to you if you believe them or not……Peace IreneIrene,Do you believe scripture when it states that Jesus' human body is the seed of David?If you do then you know his body did not change from a spirit body into a human body but is in fact the desendent of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2011,04:49)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2011,00:57)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Are you implying that Paul really DID get his gospel from men, but because those men were speaking the words of God, he could say that he got it NOT from any man?You are correct.Hi Kerwin,WHICH men did Paul receive his gospel from?I did not receive my…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2011,23:27)geneso do you believe Jesus when he says that he came from heaven PierrePierre,You are inadvertently asking a loaded question and so I will answer it with two questions that avoid the loaded characteristic.Do you believe God who teaches us every good and perfect things comes from above?If so then was Jesus'…[Read more]

Irene,Quote The ransom is Jesus life.Agreed!Quote So why do you think Jesus took on His old Human body after His resurrection?His mortal human body was changed into an immortal human body with power, according to the saintly spirit, just as an oak seed changes into an oak sprout in the ground.Quote Romans 1 King James Version (KJV) 4And declared…[Read more]

Pierre,Thank you for quoting some of the particular scriptures that you believe are about the 144,000.  As far as I have observed, only Revelations 7:2-5 and Revelations 14:1-5 explicitly mention 144,000 while I do not see how you connect them to the other scriptures you mention.First the book of Revelations is a book of prophecy and prophecy is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2011,12:48)Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 18 2011,04:28)Kerwin!  What is a ransom?  IreneIrene,In Matthew 20:28 and Mark 10:45 it  the word “ransom” is a translation of” lytron” which means:Quote 1. the price for redeeming, ransom a.paid for slaves, captives b.for the ransom of life 2. to liberate many from misery and the penalt…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Who is the mediator between men and God, Kerwin?  Is it not the man who at one time laid down his life for us?We agree on that point!Quote For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men: Christ Jesus – the man who gave himself as a ransom for all.In the above rendering, all I've done is placed “Christ Jesus” in front of…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Our posts to each other have a habit of growing ever longer day by day. I think that sometimes with that much info to process, thoughts get lost just because of the amount of thinking we have to do. So I'm responding to only one part of your response for now.Acceptable.Quote Kerwin, I'm not sure what point your above words are…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 18 2011,04:28)Kerwin!  What is a ransom?  IreneIrene,In Matthew 20:28 and Mark 10:45 it  the word “ransom” is a translation of” lytron” which means:Quote 1. the price for redeeming, ransom a.paid for slaves, captives b.for the ransom of life 2. to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sinsIn 1st Timothy 2:…[Read more]

Mike,Quote What kind of answer is that?I voiced my opinion that your questioning of what I believed was inferred in the two passages of Revelations calling Jesus the root of David was in itself based on your own beliefs and so was a loaded question.Quote Actually is it quite explicit and says “The Root of David”, not “The Root of David's…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Does the scripture say “Root of David's faith”?  Or “Root of David”?I see that as a useless question as I can with equal validity ask you ‘Does scripture sat “Root of David’s flesh or Root of David?” as the answer to either is inferred and not explicit.Quote Kerwin, this is from his book, “Truth in Translation”, where this non-bias…[Read more]

Pierre,Quote when we talk about the kingdom of heaven this means that the heaven are the powers that rule that kingdom ,but the kingdom or his people are on earth, I agree with the letter of the words you wrote above.Quote and only 144K are counted as the brothers of Christ and will join him in heaven ,(no way out of this )all others are and will…[Read more]

MikeQuote What YOU do is to try to tell me all the time that I'm somehow not spiritual enough to “read between the lines” and come to the same, sometimes asinine, conclusions you have come to. It is true that I am convinced your conclusions about Galatians 1:1 and 12 are based on the traditions of man and not on Christ.    I am convinced of this b…[Read more]