Quote (shem4name @ April 25 2012,05:36)The premiss of this OP was not the preexistence. It was the fruit of doctrine. If you want to believe that Christ preexisted that's fine with me. As long as you agree that the man that was born and walked on this Earth did so without any advantage in power, knowledge or source of God then we have. If you do…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,16:29)Hi, So there are no scriptures that say the body of Moses went to heaven.Nick,It is a teaching derived from Scripture; which is based on circumstantial evidence found in the Bible.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 25 2012,04:21)Hi KW, Mt 24 and Mk 13 speak of the tribulation on earth.Mankind is flesh.Nick,Are you claiming flesh is an idiom for human in some Scriptures?

Mike,Mark 13:20King James Version (KJV) 20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.AndMatthew 24:22King James Version (KJV) 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days…[Read more]

Jammin,You wrote:Quote glory as of the only son from the father means the glory which he received as the Father's only SonJohn 1:14Quote Good News Translation (GNT)14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.now answer my questionwhat did john…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,08:28)Hi KW,I agree all who are of the Spirit are alive to God.The Spirit does not leave or forsake us even in death.The ghost comment was to stimulate discussion -who knows about them?Nick,Ghosts are mentioned in Scripture fairly often; but for some reason translators are reluctant to translate the various…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ April 24 2012,08:24)Hi Kerwin,Quote The Spirit can not work with the mortal body but requires an  immortal body that is not subject to frustration.This statement as written is not true.  The spirit works within the mortal bodies of Christ's bride.  One day this mortal body will put on immortality, but until then those mortals th…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,10:36)Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2012,00:47)Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,00:08)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,05:49)Hi Jammin, the Word WAS God.yes nick that is the nature of the Word, GOD.Hi Jammin,The “HolySpirit” can be nothing but himself; do you agree?God blessEd J (Joshua…[Read more]

David;Quote I don't see how “flesh and blood” can mean anything other than a human body.  That is what a body is made of.  Feel free to blame the Jews of that period, as well as the Gentiles to a certain extent as both appear to be big on symbolism.  Scripture does the same thing with using “world” to speak of things of this corrupt world even th…[Read more]

Quote (david @ April 24 2012,07:01)Kerwin, I posted in response to you on page 63.I like discussing scripture with you, because you are very un-Nick like, in that you convey actual thoughts in response to what we are actually discussing.David,I answered a little of what you wrote and hope to; God willing; get back to you on the rest.

Dave;Here is one Scripture you brought up:Philippians 3:20American Standard Version (ASV) 20 For our citizenship is in heaven; whence also we wait for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: It is a present tense citizenship and not a future tense one.John 17:21American Standard Version (ASV) 21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me,…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:39)Hi KW,The disciples thought they had seen a ghost when Jesus walked on the water Why?The Living spoken of by Jesus are those alive in the Spirit-that requires spiritual understanding.Nick,We know from observations that the disciples believed in ghosts.  In both cases they revealed that belief they were…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,05:27)Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,17:16)“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so bethat the Spirit of God dwell in you.” (Romans 8:9)And were they LITERALLY not in the flesh anymore, Ed?  Or was that a metaphorical way of speaking, like Peter saying they were “born anew”?Jesus and Paul both taught…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,04:18)Kerwin,Your post is nothing but fluff.  It seems to have been designed to keep this “conceived” thing going and going and going – because you already know it is the only little string you have to hold on to.But your claim that it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to have caused an already existing being to be conceived…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,02:49)Hi KW, Your foundations are very weak”The soul is called living only if encased in living flesh.   Jesus already used logical reasoning to demonstrate that the souls in Sheol are living. ” Written?Nick,Do you know of any Scripture that calls the soul a living soul when not encased in living flesh?Here is…[Read more]

Gene,As you quoted; it is written:Psalm 104:29New American Standard Bible (NASB)29 You hide Your face, they are dismayed; You take away their spirit, they expire And return to their dust. Footnotes:a.Psalm 104:29 Or breathAnother verse that speaks of the separation of the soul(spirit) from the body at death.Genesis 35:18New American Standard…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,12:11)hi KW, Yes he and creation were cursed when he was in his original body.We inherited it.Nick,Adam was cursed with weakness, mortality, and adversity.  Never the less the Spirit struggled against these things until God grew tired of the sins of man and granted them even a more limited lifespan.The Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,11:00)Hi KW, ScriptureGen 6.3Nick,That was a few generations down the line from Adam and Eve; but it is when the Spirit of God stopped struggling with the mortal body.What God told Adam was: 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I c…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,10:20)Hi KW, The only difference is the life time limit imposed on him and his sons.You have your own mystical language.Nick,You wrote:Quote The only difference is the life time limit imposed on him and his sons.Who taught you that?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,10:09)Hi KW, You have not shown that at all except to your own satisfaction..Nick,Are you going to argue that Adam and Eve were created in a natural body; which is to say mortal?I have already cited some translations that translate the idiom “flesh and blood” to “mortal body” just like “flesh” is translated…[Read more]