Quote (942767 @ Aug. 31 2013,01:31)Hi:”firstborn” of all creation means that was the first man to be born of God, he is “the last Adam”, and he is the first man to be “born again from the dead”.Quote Rom 8:29   For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many…[Read more]

T,Quote so this is the end of our conversation with scriptures on this topicThat was my impression when you were reduced to insinuations. Thank you for your time.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2013,21:27)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2013,15:29)I do remember and I still say that in certain cases they mean the same thing.In ALL cases, Kerwin.It is no different than me using “feline” or “cat”.  Both words refer to the same dang thing.  But it's good to know that at least YOU understood that I was right when all t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 31 2013,21:23)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2013,15:29)Mike,I think his word is a device God used to create all that is created.Jehovah states the world was set in order by his device……it is equivalent to a man stating “this house was built by my hammer”.So since the “hammer that built the house” is something OTHER THAN the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 31 2013,00:39)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2013,23:56)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,22:01)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2013,11:59)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,08:23)Kerwinso sins when is now scriptures says that Christ is the first born of the dead ,and you make it that this is changing :first born of creation ” how is that do…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,22:04)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2013,12:03)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,08:29)kerwinQuote T,Are you taking literally words that are not spoken with literal intent?  Your request implies you are.In particular what do you think I mean by “born”? BORN ;means many thing but always a beginning of something ; what…[Read more]

Mike,Quote After all, everything else said about wisdom in Prov 8 matches things also said elsewhere about Jesus. Nor does it make any sense that God was literally without wisdom in the beginning, and therefore had to create literal wisdom for Himself.An interesting point.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,23:20)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 24 2013,23:29)The poetry form of the adages in the book of wisdom call Wisdom a female because the Hebrew word for wisdom is feminine.  Jesus is male.  That is a sex change to those who choose to be consistent and hold Jesus is Wisdom and not that he is a prince that rules by it and a k…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,22:01)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 30 2013,11:59)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,08:23)Kerwinso sins when is now scriptures says that Christ is the first born of the dead ,and you make it that this is changing :first born of creation ” how is that do you really understand what it means ? being made according to the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,08:29)kerwinQuote T,Are you taking literally words that are not spoken with literal intent?  Your request implies you are.In particular what do you think I mean by “born”? BORN ;means many thing but always a beginning of something ; what ever that may be ;like; company,country,nation,man.women,sin in sinner…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 30 2013,08:23)Kerwinso sins when is now scriptures says that Christ is the first born of the dead ,and you make it that this is changing :first born of creation ” how is that do you really understand what it means ? being made according to the  :”image of the invisible God”T,First born does not mean first born unless you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 25 2013,23:20)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 24 2013,23:29)The poetry form of the adages in the book of wisdom call Wisdom a female because the Hebrew word for wisdom is feminine.  Jesus is male.  That is a sex change to those who choose to be consistent and hold Jesus is Wisdom and not that he is a prince that rules by it and a k…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Aug. 27 2013,09:28)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 24 2013,21:29)Quote (abe @ Aug. 05 2013,13:25)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 04 2013,11:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,23:41)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,11:31)abeQuote Please tell me, why Christ is not the Wisdom of God?good question.Indeed.  In 1 Cor 1:23, Christ is poetically referred to as…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,12:01)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2013,11:32)Ed,Jesus has always known wisdom through the Spirit while the church is being taught wisdom by the same Spirit.Kerwin but Christ is said wen he was young he grew in wisdom ,so realy he did not have it right T,He “grew in” implies he had a certain level but that level got…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,07:24)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2013,03:12)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 21 2013,10:42)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 21 2013,09:46)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2013,00:53)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2013,23:52)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2013,23:40)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 17 2013,12:27)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2013,06:02)Quote (kerwin…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,06:17)sQuote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2013,06:05)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2013,09:27)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2013,06:58)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2013,06:32)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2013,00:23)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,12:12)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2013,08:10)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,07:22)Kerwinthis is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2013,07:49)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2013,18:52)Mike,So you have been owned and resort to insults.I've “been owned” because YOU think it is normal for a house builder to say a house was built by HIS HAMMER?     Whatever.  Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2013,18:52)What framed the “worlds” according to this passage?Hebrews 11…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2013,06:44)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2013,18:35)Mike,John told Sam, “my hammer built this house”.       “My hammer built this house”!   Okay Kerwin, Let me know when you return from the funny farm and want to be serious.  Mike,So you have been owned and resort to insults.All things that have been created have crea…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 29 2013,06:17)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 29 2013,06:05)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 28 2013,09:27)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 28 2013,06:58)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2013,06:32)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2013,00:23)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,12:12)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2013,08:10)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 25 2013,07:22)Kerwinthis is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 26 2013,05:58)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2013,12:32)The Word made the human body in the same way the device made the vessel.No Kerwin. The word was nothing but a word.  God is who made the human body.And the device is nothing more than a device.  The human who used the device is the one who made the vessel.Devices don't h…[Read more]