journey42,Your post is long and I have to take time to process it. I do not know if I will be able to answer it.

Mike,Quote Your “dress” analogy is useless, because it doesn't fit the discussion – which is about whether or not God could cause a spirit being to be born again as a flesh being.  Hardly, as I was careful to word in in order to replace dress with flesh and the creature you claim Jesus is as woman.The question is not whether God could but rather…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,07:51)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,16:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2013,21:13)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,19:34)Nerveless it is true that the Word is made flesh is the same as saying “The Holy Spirit came to be in someone” because the Holy Spirit reveals the word.  It is also the same as saying the word is…[Read more]

Mike,Quote But CAN John 1:14 be saying what I believe it says?  Is it POSSIBLE, knowing that Jesus is indeed called “the Word” in Rev 19, to understand 1:14 as telling us that this being called “the Word” became flesh and dwelled on earth as a flesh and blood man?Looking as the letter of John 1:14 alone it is possible but it is not certain.  The w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 13 2013,08:05)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,12:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 10 2013,06:12)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 08 2013,21:17)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Do you believe the “hosts of heaven” in that verse were angels? I don't know for sure but I do believe they were creatures of heaven.So then, “creatures of heaven” are spirits,…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 12 2013,21:30)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,23:34)Wakeup,Quote Jesus is the *only man* that have been in heaven.A common misunderstanding that seems to be common on this website.John 3:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,05:49)Kerwin.The taking up of Elijah, and the dead body of Moses is for a purpose. They are being preserved for the last days.To come down to witness to israel.I never said that Jesus is Elijah.Elijah is a prophet;and Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.Jesus is Elijah's and Moses Lord.wakeup.Wakeup,I did not say you…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 12 2013,19:51)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 11 2013,12:34)Mike,Quote “The Holy Spirit BECAME flesh” does not MEAN the same thing as “The Holy Spirit came to be IN someone who was flesh” – and therefore the latter is NOT a “paraphrase” of the former.  Instead, it is a complete ALTERATION of the former, and ends up teaching a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2013,21:13)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 10 2013,19:34)Nerveless it is true that the Word is made flesh is the same as saying “The Holy Spirit came to be in someone” because the Holy Spirit reveals the word.  It is also the same as saying the word is manifest in the flesh.1.  God was IN Jesus, doing the works.2.  God BECAME Je…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 12 2013,21:18)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 12 2013,06:19)I did voice the opinion that paraphrase is more subject to individual bias than a word for word translation.I repeat:  Paraphrasing is the art of conveying the SAME EXACT MEANING using different words.And I hope you'll agree that #1 in my previous post is NOT actually a…[Read more]

Wakeup,Soul is the passage from Revelation 20 you are quoting so I have no idea why you believe that certain of the books are souls.  I do know that anyone written in any book but the book of life will be thrown int tho the Lake of Fire.Revelation 20:15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of…[Read more]

Wakeup,Quote Jesus is the *only man* that have been in heaven.A common misunderstanding that seems to be common on this website.John 3:13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. What Jesus declares is that he has already ascended to…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Besides, didn't you just post some Wikipedia stuff to jammin about the paraphrasing of the CEV Bible? Didn't you and Wikipedia conclude that paraphrasing is not the best way to go?Wikipedia did not voice an opinion on the subject, they did say the CEV used paraphrase.I did voice the opinion that paraphrase is more subject to individual…[Read more]

Wakeup,I understand that the soul that commits sin is the one that will die. That does not seem to be what you are saying in your own words. There is a book of the dead and a book of life and the name of the soul that commits sin is written in the book of the dead.Psalm 42:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)1 As the hart panteth after the…[Read more]

Wakeup,Quote soul that sinnethI did not hear where you said a soul could commit sin. I thought you were instead saying that the soul is are cord of a man's actions. It seems I am wrong in that understanding but please let me know instead of just giving me clues to help me guess at the answer.

Wakeup,I have never understood where in Scripture those who espouse the tenet you do about the soul are coming from.You seem to be claiming the soul is a record of our deeds and was a blank one when adam was first created while is serves no purpose in animals.Do you a part of a man lives on after the death of his flesh?

Mike,Quote “The Holy Spirit BECAME flesh” does not MEAN the same thing as “The Holy Spirit came to be IN someone who was flesh” – and therefore the latter is NOT a “paraphrase” of the former. Instead, it is a complete ALTERATION of the former, and ends up teaching a completely different thing.What I said was that “The word was made flesh by…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 09 2013,04:39)Kerwin,You know I don't agree that Jesus is still a human being, but other than that, I can get on board with what you're saying.It seems you are trying to show a “hierarchy of worship”, with the highest form going only to God the Father, the next highest to our Lord and King Jesus Christ, and the next…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 09 2013,04:25)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 09 2013,07:04)To all,I worship but one God who is but one person.I pay homage to my human King who rules over heaven and earth.I honor his servants be they those created in heaven or those created on earth.Kerwin.Muslems also believe in one god.They call him by the name allah.But the Word of…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2013,03:25)Quote (kerwin @ Oct. 11 2013,07:27)Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 10 2013,07:55)2 Kings 2:11   And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; ****and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven****. Jude 1:9   Yet M…[Read more]