T,

I did not change the argument from the 144,000 redeemed from the earth to symbolism as my point is the 144,000 is a symbolic number and so not to be taken no more literal than the names of the Jewish tribes, or the word woman in the prophecy of the woman and the dragon. 1000 is just a number that represents a multitude and is used that way in…[Read more]

Mike,

Kerwin, didn’t Philo call the logos a “demigod”? And isn’t a demigod a half man half deity being? Wasn’t Jesus both a god and a man?

Providing my source is correct he called the logos a sacrificial demigod.  It also claims he called it Superior to angels, a second divinity, first-begotten Son of God and a whole lot more.  Many insist he w…[Read more]

Wakeup,

Judge all things by the scriptures.

In a way you are correct but it is wiser to test all things by God’s Spirit as your understanding of Scripture can be wrong.

What I am doing here is testing an early Jewish teaching because the only real difference between those who then called themselves Jews and the Christians spoken of in Scripture…[Read more]

Wakeup,

For example your chosen doctrine does not actually have anything to do with any historic teaching but seems to come from you.  It is in all appearances a new age teaching,  a  teaching of the very time you advocate as the time of the “one world order” conspiracy.  It is you therefore that indulge in strange flesh because you do not see…[Read more]

Wakeup,

Those that do not study history are said to be doomed to repeat it.  In this case it is about studying the context of the culture and time that Scripture was written in and the only reason I see anyone is reluctant to do so as they are afraid of the truth it may reveal.  Those that are afraid of the truth are not of God.

T,

The word symbolic is not mention in scriptures

That is a very poor argument as the question is not whether it is mentioned in Scripture but rather if symbolism is used and unless you believe the 144,000 are literally the sons of Judah and members of the twelve tribes mention then you clearly believe symbolism is used.

Another instance of …[Read more]

Colter,

t8, your interpretation of the scriptures is just one of many other completely conflicting interpretations even on this tiny forum. Others who also believe in God and God the Son, don’t see you as having a monopoly on the truth. Long before the scripture was written men and women had faith in a personal God.

Take care

1) God has a mo…[Read more]

Mike,

As for quoting other people’s posts, I’ll let you know how I do it. First, I copy the words from their original post that I would like to respond to. Then I hit “Reply” at the top of their post. Then I manually type: (quote=Kerwin)PASTE THEIR WORDS HERE(/quote)

Note that all four of the parenthesis I used in that example above are really…

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T8,

If Mike is insisting begotten means the created of God then

Mike’s idea seems to be echoed in Luke 3:38 where Adam is said by a more literal word for word translation to be “the of God” in relation to Seth being “the of Adam”.

Of course first begotten can symbolize other things besides first created but first created is what fits Mike’s…[Read more]

T,

Kerwin and Gene

Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes.…

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Mike,

The Preexistant law teaching is actually a variation of the same argument I have made previously.  It is a known teaching from the first teaching unlike most people use.  It also fits the facts.  Both Wikipedia and the Jewish Libraries spoke about it.  Philo, like, John called it logos.  Jeremiah spoke of a time when it would be writ…[Read more]

Gene,

Pierre is reasoning from his hypothesis of who the 144,000 are.

T8,

Thanks to your idea on how to remove code! It is a better solution than mine.

T,

I find if I copy and paste to a text editor and then copy from there to paste here that it removes all that internet code for me.

Mike,

The corrected post is the seventh one from the bottom on page 100.

T,

I know of Scripture that say that being righteous as God is righteous is not out of reach.  Never the less that does not mean we will know why God does each and everything he does because we are limited in many ways he is not.

Mike,

I corrected this post  but I am unsure if you saw the corrected and more easily understood version.

Gene,

Scripture uses the word spirit to mean many things and so it takes careful consideration though the teachings of the spirit to know which meaning is correct.

The bottom line is that there are spirits of the flesh and it is my understanding those spirits are in the flesh.  I do not know if this is the same spirit that returns to God after…[Read more]

Mike,

I mentioned God’s preexistent Law because it is a belief know to actually exist in the first century unlike yours or many of the other ones I hear on this site.  I actually obtained it from Wikipedia.  In the Logos(Christianity) article though looking again the quote is from Robert Roberg  and not Stephen L. Harris as I previously cl…[Read more]