Gene,

.Good point, but Nick said clearly, he did not believe in a “spirit body” of anykind, so in this I think we all agree.

Then there must have been a misunderstanding.

What I would like to hear from him is how he views God’s created human bodies as some kind of inferior creation.

That is a belief of the Gnostic, some of who belie…[Read more]

Nick,

Should it be destroyed there is another waiting for me in the heaven lies

No, if taken literally that is not resurrection. That would instead be reincarnation. It does not go with Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 15 either. A seed is planted and comes up as a new body though that new body is derived from the old body. The new body is…[Read more]

Nick,

It is not a personal interpretation as it is derived employing the same type of reason Jesus used to prove that there is a resurrection to come. The conclusion I came with also matches the words of Romans 8.

If my reason unlike Jesus’ is flawed then it means my conclusion cannot be trusted. But I see and have heard from you no real…[Read more]

Nick,

So are you claiming that you do not know what the adjectives “natural” and “spiritual” mean in Scripture?

Nick,

Do you think it is wise to MERELY USE REASONING to adjust the sacred book?

I think it is wise to use reasoning to comprehend Scripture. I believe it is foolish not to use reasoning to comprehend Scripture.

You seem to add and take away freely despite the warnings in scripture against such things.

I am not the one that pulled the…[Read more]

Nick,

So using logic you twist the scriptures to make it seem that a body type is determined by what moves it?

I merely use reasoning to comprehend the message of Scripture. I do this because of my preference to hear a few words of God with understanding rather than a multitude without.

Do you also seek to understand the truth?

Nick,

Hi KW,

You compare dried up relics with a man dead over two days and deny a miracle?

Some are and some are not. God is living in active. He did not tell me why he desired to have some bodies preserved and how he chose to preserve each one. He just did it and I bear witness of that.

Nick,

Hi KW,

WE are speaking of BODIES not PERSONS.

The rest is of your imagination.

Start again

We are speaking of words. More specifically the adjectives “natural” and “Spiritual” They just happen to be used to describe two different subject in 1 Corinthians. The first subject being persons and the second being bodies.

My…[Read more]

Nick,

Lazarus came alive at Jesus’ command. That is a miracle.

Nick,

Hi KW,

Tell me of the cases or resuscitation after this length of time you know of.

20 minutes is not rare.

You are not impressed by the works of God?

Where did I or scriprure say spiritual bodies are composed of spirit?

God is still working and there have been case of several days. The woman was Li Xiufeng of China and after…[Read more]

Nick,

Since you claim expertise on such matters tell us what spiritual bodies are like.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15English Standard Version (ESV)

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person…

[Read more]

Nick,

Lazarus was in the grave five days to the one and a half day Jesus was in the grave. His resurrection was in some ways a greater miracle due to the increased time he was in the grave but it is more like what we today call a resuscitation as opposed to a resurrection into an incorruptible body.

Nick,

Hi KW,

There are spiritual bodies

1Cor 15

“It is sown a NATURAL BODY. It is raised a SPIRITUAL BODY”

And you should know is does not mean a body composed of spirit by this time. Stop deceiving yourself.

In order to believe that Spiritual means composed of spirit then you have to ignore 1) the Greek word translated natural is…[Read more]

Nick,

So the lack of corruption was no miracle to you?

He was only dead a day and a half before he was resurrected. The miracle was the resurrection not that his body had not corrupted in that short time. There are corpses that have undergone little or no corruption for over a thousand years that still amaze scientists.

Nick,

We do not have to satisfy the prophecy of Acts 2-3 or the sign of Jonah.

Irrelevant.

They await a new spiritual body from above to clothe them and make them fit for life beyond earth.

There is not body composed of spirit written of in Scripture just like there is no body composed of soul.

There is a body that is led by the Spirit…[Read more]

Nick,

To make it easy on you I even asked the questions I hoped you would answer and you still chose not to respond to my points. I can go to Psalms 49:14 and it will not change what either I quoted say. They will still remain the same.

Note: Psalms 49:14 is interesting for its own reason but I am sure I interpret it differently than you.…[Read more]

Nick,

You are avoiding addressing the points I have made from Scripture and voicing opinion without any real support for it. You do have some support but it is debatable whether is is solid or an illustration. The fact you are not addressing my points makes you afraid of what you may learn. IF that is so then why you afraid if not then what…[Read more]

Nick,

Your opinions do not match the truth in 1Cor 15

You are stating a conclusion you made without any evidence to support it. You did not answer my points.

Nick,

To fulfill the sign of Jonah the Lord had to be raised up in his original body.

Then as you say the mortal must be clothed in immortality

That does not address the points I made. Instead it is a statement of what you believe and I do not see it in Scripture.

Nick,

You are the one contradict the teaching in 1 Corinthians 15 as I have clearly pointed out. I have already addressed your choice of a literal interpretation of 1 Corinthians 15:50 but you do not believe what either I or Gene hear is true. On the other hand I do not believe what you hear about it is true either.

I know listed out the…[Read more]