2. Did the thief go to paradise the day he died?

3.Did he not go to paradise the day he died?

4.Was the thief resurrected before Christ?

The thief went to the paradise of the place of the dead who await resurrection. There are some that claim the land of the dead is in the third heaven. Paul speaks of a man that was taken up into that heaven…[Read more]

Wakeup,

You are correct that the world to come is the new earth. You may be correct as I assumed because their was no destruction in God’s holy mountain and the world is to be full of the knowledge of the Lord that it was the new earth.

Wakeup,

Jesus soul was never in hell, because He said:

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit, and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The flesh went in the tomb.

Peter is the one that stated that verse applied to Jesus, I just followed his lead.

Acts…

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Wakeup,

Jesus soul was never in hell, because He said:

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit, and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The flesh went in the tomb.

Peter is the one that stated that verse applied to Jesus, I just followed his lead.

Acts…

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Camillia,

I don’t believe this is the same group.

Why don’t you believe they are the same group?

I believe they are because one of the twelve tribes is removed and another put in its place. Judas was removed from among the Twelve and another was put in his place. I have other reasons but that is one.

Wakeup,

1. What do you call a place described in Isaiah 11 and 65?

I call it the world to come.

Isaiah 11:9Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain:
for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord,
as the waters cover the sea.

To me the world to come is a paradise. It may…[Read more]

Wakeup,

I have not gotten to answering your questions yet.

Acts 2:27Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

27 because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus’ soul was in hell during the time of his death and so was the soul of the thief and anyone else that had died previously…[Read more]

Gene,

THE APOSTLE PAUL CHOSE NOT TO SIN, BUT WHAT DID HE SAY, ” the good that i would do, i do not, but the thing i chose not to do , that i do,

I understand what Paul is talking about as I find myself in the same circumstances quite often. It is like there is two of me one who desires to do as God commands and the other who chooses behave l…[Read more]

Wakeup,

I did not say paradise was mentioned. I said:

Jesus described a paradise as the place Lazarus dwelt after his death in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

The thieves body laid in his burial place and his soul descended to hell. That is what Scripture states happened to Jesus. It also happened to Abraham and to many others.

I…[Read more]

Spock,

You are off track and indulging in unbelief. This forum is for those that believe the bible is translated from the written word of God. You clearly do not. The Skeptics forum is where you indulge in such unbelief. This is really not the place for you.

To whomever it may concern,

Young’s Literal Translation does a better job on the word paradise.

Nehemiah 2:8
and a letter unto Asaph, keeper of the paradise that the king hath, that he give to me trees for beams the gates of the palace that the house hath, and for the wall of the city, and for the house into which I enter;’ and the king…

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Wakeup,

Jesus did not say “I say unto you today, ..” he said “…, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” according to the translators of the AV of the KJV. The comma is the division just like it is when a person states “hello, how are you doing today?”

Of course the JW’s claim the comma should be after the today and you act like so I…[Read more]

knolly,

Literally all Matthew 25:41 and Matt. 18:8 only state the fire itself is eternally.

Literally Matt. 25:46 states the punishment will be eternal which considering Jesus state an the soul of the wicked will be destroyed in Gehenna means it will not be reconstituted.

Wakeup,

There is more than one paradise. There is only one Eden as far as I know. Paradise is a generic class that includes Eden and other places including the world to come. Paul applied it to the third heaven and Jesus described a paradise as the place Lazarus dwelt after his death in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

The thief and…[Read more]

To whomever is concerned.

Paradise is a word in the English Language.

noun
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

: a very beautiful, pleasant, or peaceful place that seems to be perfect

: a place that is perfect for a particular activity or for a person who enjoys that activity

: a state of complete happiness

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a : eden 2
b : an…

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T8,

That reasoning of those that teach Jesus is God is flawed as is their other arguments they use.

Gene,

Kerwin…….GOD HAS COCLUDED “ALL” UNDER SIN, THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY ON ALL. IF WE COULD SELFWILL OURSELVES OUT OF SINNING , THERE WOULD OBVISELY BE NO NEED FOR THE SACRIFFICE OF JESUS, WHY WOULD I NEED GOD TO “WORK” in me both to “WILL” AND DO OF “HIS” GOOD PLEASURE, if i could freely will it myself?

Your argument as it sit is that beca…[Read more]

T8.

The bodies of angels are immortal which means they are not subject to corruption and in the nature of the present age the creations of the earth are subject to entropy.

One key thing I know about the difference between the Spiritual body and the natural body is the earlier is not bound to either frustration or corruption while the later is…[Read more]

Camilia,

Kerwin, yes there is more than one story line…. I found starting from the beginning each story was not in Chronological order, and stories seemed to be retold from a different aspect.

If they are not in chronological order then unless you believe they are in some other order you can pick and choose what you want to go where. There a…[Read more]

Gene,

I do not know if Ed has stopped sinning or not but I do know if you should sin then confess your sin and God will wash away it away. If we believe this then how do we calculate the past sins against us? If we are currently sinning then what difference is there between the gospel of Christ and the Law of Moses which also made allowances…[Read more]