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    kerwin replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 11 years, 5 months ago

    Budharta,

    Every one of the four writer of what is called the gospels testified the Jesus was crucified, laid in the grave three days, and was resurrected on the third day. They were explicit about these events. Either these events occurred or the four males who told them were liars.

    There descriptions are not parables.

    Here is Paul’s words…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 11 years, 5 months ago

    Bodhitharta,

    We are not talking accuracy-we are creditability. If these men all lied about Jesus dying on the cross then not one of them is true witness. They all serve the devil and the gospel of salvation is vain.

    I so not believe that they lied as I want to be righteous as God is righteous and that is what the gospel promises.

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    kerwin replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 11 years, 5 months ago

    Bodhitharta,

    We are not talking accuracy-we are creditability. If these men all lied about dying on the cross then not one of them is true witness. They all serve the devil and the gospel of salvation is vain.

    I so not believe that they lied as I want to be righteous as God is righteous and that is what the gospel promises.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Bodhitharta,

    Your concerns do not seem to sound according to what Miia said. She is not certain Jesus is not God.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    I never said with any certainty that Jesus was the only true God. I was simply left wondering because I found myself loving Jesus with my whole heart, mind and soul.

    That is a good point to establish.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    You can and should love anyone. You can speak to those God brings into your life in such a way as to allow speech.

    Worship is much more than that. I do it but I am not sure I can describe it. The Webster’s online dictionary speaks of respect and admiration but that falls far short of the meaning of worship.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Ed J.

    Thank you.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    If the Jesus you speak to says he is God then he is not Jesus Christ but it is an evil spirit masquerading as him. If that is the case then I understand the bad dream you had and what it is warning you of.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    I believe Scripture which tells us he is the human that mediates between humanity and God. In addition I will not blaspheme God’s name by implying he can be tempted by evil under any circumstances. After all Scripture teaches us Jesus was tempted even as we are.

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    The word divine has one more than one meaning as does the word god. In Scripture the Hebrew people are called gods but that does not mean they are the one true God. All it means is they are God’s children through his word and so a cut above other human beings. Jesus is called god but that means he has received and lived by the Spirit of…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    Miia,

    The word divine has one more than one meaning as does the word god. In Scripture the Hebrew people are called gods but that does not mean they are the one true God. All it means is they are God’s children through his word and so a cut above other human beings. Jesus is called god but that means he has received and lived by the Spirit of…[Read more]

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    kerwin replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 11 years, 5 months ago

    bodhitharta,

    I do not understand how you obtained the understanding that angels are God from what Miia wrote. Are you going from something else?

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    kerwin replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 11 years, 5 months ago

    Bodhitharta,

    None of them are called the “gospel according to …”. They are accounts of eyewitnesses or those with access to eye witnesses to Jesus’ mortal life and a short time afterwards up to the time he ascended to heaven.

    The question is whether or not you believe the writers or their sources are credible.

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    DavidL,

    The trinity is very hard to argue. A logos type argument only works with those whom lack knowledge. That leaves either a pathos or ethos and the later requires that the speaker is regarded as credible by the hearers. Pathos is the best way but it takes skill.

    I have not heard you try to explain how Jesus can be completely human and…[Read more]

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    Hi KW,

    Scripture tests scripture

    2Cor 13.1

    Logic is used with natural men who are unable to understand Spiritual words.

    To the greeks I become as a greek

    Yes, 2 or 3 witnesses are needed to establish a fact. Jesus only used one but he could have used others as well.

    Logical reasoning is a tool that can be used by angels or devils. It…[Read more]

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    David,

    Quote one passage of Scripture that condemns logic. I know you cannot because there is not any. You are just repeating the teaching of human beings. This is what you doing in other areas as well. You say you believe Scripture but your actions tell me otherwise.

    Here is an example of a logical argument:

    John 10:34-36Authorized…

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    Ed,

    Why are you saying the God is Satan?

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    Andrew,

    If it is their own and words you are going by then you have a good source. Hearsay is questionable.

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    kerwin replied to the topic Bloodless atonement in the forum Faith 11 years, 5 months ago

    Bodhitharta,

    My point is that there is more than one version of the Quran. Some are even banned. Human being are after all human beings.

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    Bodhitharta,

    If the word was God then God was made flesh so that means Jesus is God

    That reasoning is flawed because the word “was” is a form of “be” and so the statement “the Word was God” has three possible basic interpretations not to mention the variation within those possibilities. The same with the statement “the word was made flesh”.

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