t8,

Your last post is a well done post.

Nick,

Reason is good for understanding spiritual matters. It is useless in the hands of those that are corrupt or do not believe.

Nick,

You are correct that tools can be misused and that is why we ate to test the spirit of the message.

Terrica,

Him in English is used for a mixed group. Nowadays we tend to use “them” instead. “man” means humanity.

An example is the NET translation:

NET Bible
God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.

They both mean the same thing but the modern feminist object to the use…[Read more]

Nick,

The serpent did use logic though at least one of his premises was unsound as he was using a play on words.

Nick,

I am not sure why the AV of the King James bible used the word charity for Love but charity is part of love.

An example of charity is to give what you have the poor and you will be rewarded in heaven.

Nick,

I do not know if humanity was created with the flesh nature or not but I do know the first rebellion by humanity was when Eve chose to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I do not know if her disobedience was that of a child who is not morally responsible and yet disobeys their parents or that of an adult who is…[Read more]

Nick,

It is a waste of my time if you are not interested enough in the answer to see for yourself.

There is no mention of charity in the whole list. Goodness or love can cover it and any every other fruit literally mentioned or not.

Nick,

If you look at other passage you will find some of the other fruits mentioned.

Nick,

I agree, the lusts and desires of human nature lead us away from God.

Nick,

The lusts and desires of human nature lead us away from God.

Nick,

I merely claimed humanity did not sin until Eve ate of the fruit. Do you disagree with that statement?

Nick,

In Galatians they are called works of the flesh but Jesus said you will know them by their fruit.

Nick,

Paul used logic to teach the immature so that might grow and not die prematurely due to their lack of wisdom and knowledge.

Logical reasoning is a form of reason and reason is not condemned in Scripture but instead is used by those that serve God. It is godless men that have taught you to condemn it.

Nick,

That is but a sample of the fruits of the Spirit logic is not in itself a fruit of the Spirit is that it is a tool. For instance a hammer is not a fruit of the Spirit but what you do with it may well be.

Nick,

Hi KW,

My words are spirit and life

Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

Yes, that is why Jesus’ conclusions arrived at by logical reasoning were rejected.

Nick,

Hi KW,

My words are spirit and life

Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

Yes, that is why Jesus’ conclusion arrived at by logical reasoning were rejected.

Nick,

Hi KW,

You think the ways of God are the same as those of men?

Spiritual wisdom is not worldly wisdom.

Why don’t you know that Spiritual wisdom is the fruit of the Spirit and worldly wisdom is the work of the flesh?

Logical reasoning can be either as Jesus lived by the Spirit and therefore the logic he uses is the fruit of the…[Read more]

Nick,

My flesh nature is my godless nature and perhaps it was part of the human creation as it serves the purpose of testing our hearts. I know that mankind did not eat of the fruits of the flesh nature until Eve first fell to the temptation of the serpent.

Nick,

Paul uses it in his letters to Christians as well.

The bottom line is that it is not condemned in Scriptures but rather men who are afraid to have their teachings tested that object to it.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that…

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