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Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Joh 1:36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God!”

Luk 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
Luk 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:44 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

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Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 21 2008,03:40)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 21 2008,02:42) Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Are the above scriptures correct? I Pray NOT! It seems to be saying that their is NO use trying to “once again” renew some one who has tasted of God. Their is NO USE in telling them AGAIN of the principles of God and His Son. Because they have had a relationship with God by His Spirit. This being true then why entertain their questions of doubt. Is their goal to “once again find Christ”? Or is it to instill doubt! HI Ken, You say that you pray that these scriptures are not correct and then go on to say “this being true. It sounds like you would like for your interpretation to be true. First and foremost, Heb 6:4-6 can not mean that you lose salvation If it does then there is no place for the prodical son in the bible. The prodical son is all about God forgiving our falling away and accepting us back. Jesus also said that we should forgive 70 X 7. Would he do less? The literal translation as found in the Greek interlineary concordance goes like this: 6:4 unable for the ones once being enlightened……………………… 6:6 and being fallen again, to be up-newizing (renewing) into repentance crucifying again to selves the son of God “Parapipto means to fall beside, inadvertently. Denoting a side-falling and not a conscious and deceitful falling into sin as would be expressed by 'parabaino' , to willfully transgress.” As to the words 'renew' and 'again' these words are important to know in light of the context. The word 'renew' is the Greek word 'anakainzo' which means to renew, qualitatively new. In reference to Hebrews 6:6 this would be saying that a Christian is unable to have a 'new or qualitatively' different repentance toward Christ, since that would mean Christ's death was not sufficient the first time. In other words this is saying it is impossible for a believer to be born again twice since that would mean the sacrifice of Jesus was not good enough the first time and would have to do it again and thus putting Jesus to open shame. These verses are indicating that a person who is born again does not need to be born again a second time, or that he is going to lose his salvation, but actually that he is secure in Christ. There will be those who fall away or get side tracked as all of us do, but remember the promise of God, “that He who began the good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.” (Philippians 1:6) For those who do fall down and get caught in sins they cannot lose their salvation and regain it again, for that would mean Jesus would then have to die again which contradicts the Scriptures entirely Tim

Tim you are confusing those who have backslid to those who have rejected Christ.

Many many many have backslid BUT repented and were forgiven Because they never Rejected Christ.

I CERTAINLY do not want any to perish! I pray all are confused and have NOT rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

You do not believe scripture? It's ok with me. Do as you will. YOU are signed up with the Antichrist aren't you? You do have the door to your mind open for doubt. Jesus will not stay if you allow doubt in your heart.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

I pray you are doing the above scripture.

I'm not going to dance with anyone who denies Jesus to be the Messiah.

Do you still believe Jesus IS the Messiah, Tim?

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1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

1Jo 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jo 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1Jo 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 21 2008,02:49)

So you're saying questions in Christianity are a bad thing?

I'm saying you have to have faith in anything you believe. And once you have tasted of God's Spirit and loose that faith then you cannot regain that faith.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

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A question's answer leads to another question's answer that leads to another question. Scholars cannot agree on everything. Sooner or latter YOU have to have Faith no matter what religion you find.

Some have lost their Faith because of these Doubting questions that don't seem to have answers. Some have actually experienced the power of God~ HIS Holy Spirit ~and have lost faith because of their doubt.

The natural man looks at these things and says “where's the proof, it doesn't make sense, it contradicts itself”

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Are the above scriptures correct? I Pray NOT! It seems to be saying that their is NO use trying to “once again” renew some one who has tasted of God. Their is NO USE in telling them AGAIN of the principles of God and His Son. Because they have had a relationship with God by His Spirit.

This being true then why entertain their questions of doubt. Is their goal to “once again find Christ”? Or is it to instill doubt!

What answers do they have that you do not? They can say Jesus is not the Messiah and the “real Messiah is yet to come.

We say Jesus IS the Messiah who came in peace to save us from death. To give us more abundant life “the Joy of the Holy Spirit” and will come again to judge those who have tasted of the Lord and have REJECTED Him.

I really don't think Satan likes heaven net. Do you? He knows he has but a short time and is getting shorter and shorter. Which…for me is GREAT! Because the shorter his time the sooner Jesus will come.

What do the sign of these times say?

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I can remember when a hand shake was as good as a contract drawn up by a lawyer. When you were only as good as YOUR WORD!

When the younger called their elder Sir and Mam. When it was against the law to swear in public.

When the atheist were NOT proud. And if you were a homosexual you were in the closet. When Good was GOOD and Bad was BAD.

And NOW Jesus is not the “real messiah”. He was married and had a child! He was not resurrected because they found His Bones! Antichrist are plentiful and proud!

They have come here to deceive and destroy your faith. Let them be a witness to you! One has said that their faith was gasping for air! That they can no longer believe unless the SEE!

They are on a WIDE path where there are many “theories” that leads to destruction.

Only by FAITH can you stay on the straight and narrow that leads to eternal life in God's kingdom.

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,13:41)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 19 2008,19:59) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,12:30) Then show me. I admit I mention Ken but he has made it a point to bring me up unsolicited into his posts. What is the point. What matters is that you deny Jesus is the Messiah. That is the whole of the matter. You have your way, you can post all you want about Jesus not being the Messiah so why do you waste your time with criticism of others. Please continue to fulfill scripture! You no longer have to be a deceiver to do so. Which was the issue. AGAIN that's over. let it go! Do your thing! Isn't that what you wanted? Show me which scripture I fulfill Ken. Can you?

OK start with the new testament.
Hey some one had to be Judas.

Guess what Game Over!

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,12:30)

Then show me. I admit I mention Ken but he has made it a point to bring me up unsolicited into his posts.

What is the point. What matters is that you deny Jesus is the Messiah. That is the whole of the matter. You have your way, you can post all you want about Jesus not being the Messiah so why do you waste your time with criticism of others.

Please continue to fulfill scripture! You no longer have to be a deceiver to do so. Which was the issue.

AGAIN that's over. let it go! Do your thing! Isn't that what you wanted?

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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 20 2008,12:13)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 20 2008,12:00) So we “were” part of God and soon will be part of God again? God consists of many spirit beings? All are God? Sounds dangerous to me. Well we will all find out won't we? If you know the Father, you know the Son, and if you know the Son you know the Holy Spirit. And if you know the Holy Spirit you know the “whole of God” the God family? Ecclesiastes 12:7 7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. The spirit of man is from God. We are NOT God. We are his sons and daughters and are in his image. This IS NOT New Age doctrine. This is forgotten and pushed under the rug doctrine that is right under our noses in the bible.

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Then a progression of eminations took place leading to the pleroma (fullness) of the Godhead.

I'm sorry did I misunderstand you?

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So we “were” part of God and soon will be part of God again? God consists of many spirit beings? All are God?

Sounds dangerous to me. Well we will all find out won't we?

If you know the Father, you know the Son, and if you know the Son you know the Holy Spirit. And if you know the Holy Spirit you know the “whole of God” the God family?

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There goes the china!

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They come here for their arguments then go back and talk about how “closed minded” we “Christians” are? I confess they are right about that with me. I take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

I will not allow doubt to enter my mind. As I said when you do then you are asking Jesus to leave.

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,05:49)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 19 2008,11:22) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 19 2008,00:06) Personally, I think much of who Jesus is tied in with God promising the Jewish people that they will be a light to the nations (Gentiles). By themselves, have they? Would mankind even have access to the Tanach if Jesus had never been born? The Jewish people weren't being very strong lights so Jesus brought billions to the knowledge of Yahweh. That's nice I'm sure Jesus appreciates that. Perhaps he does, rather than trying to force him into passages he does not fit.

You mean it wasn't meant to be nice?

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,06:29)

Actually Ken, I prefer you continue with your mannerisms. It will be a warning against legalism and will reveal that Christians don't have to have any real fruit.

I will defend my right to defend Jesus against Antichrist no matter WHAT.

You can't stand that I exposed you and Mandy as deceivers. That's why I'm so famous at your Antichrist site.

I'm sorry that you lost your faith and now spread doubt as an Antichrist and Knowingly deceived people.

BUT that's in the Past. I keep saying that BUT you won't let it go!

Why? You can and ARE posting where you want. So post all you want and fulfill scripture.
Don't you and your group have anything you can talk about over on the Antichrist site? Or do you come here to find something to talk about!

Have a nice day Relax and have fun kejonn while it is your time.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2008,06:02)

Hi ken, The spirit of antichrist is the enemy, not those brothers and sisters who are affected by it.

The Antichrist are your brothers and sisters? Brothers and sisters in what? CHRIST? Unbelief? WHAT?

2Co 6:15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?

WOW!

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2008,06:18)

Hi Ken, Attacking others for their faith troubles is not defending Jesus.

Why am I attacking? I'm not attacking Nick I'm defending. They are attacking and if you can't see that WELL….

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Look Nick if you want to give me a stripe for defending my RIGHT to defend Jesus then have add it.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2008,06:02)

Hi ken, The spirit of antichrist is the enemy, not those brothers and sisters who are affected by it.

This is why I apologized. “We fight not against flesh and blood. But notice WE fight! Spiritual warfare.

Why do you say anything at all then?

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 20 2008,05:59)

Hi Ken, Seems like that apology is wearing thin as you continue in your carnal ways. Why must you demand punishment for those weaker in faith? It is an entirely unscriptural approach. Romans 14 1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Nick are we talking “Antichrist” here?

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I'm responsible for my faith where I am!

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Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 20 2008,05:41)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 19 2008,12:23) No I'm not (thank GOD) responsible for your beliefs. But I believe I am responsible for allowing you to post in what I thought was a “BELIEVERS” Place. Seriously? Last i looked, you weren't on the list of admins so all you are is a member. You have zero authority on this site. If you want to have a site where you can live in a Christian bubble where you all sit around the campfire and chant “Keep the commandments and believe in Jesus” then you are certainly welcome to open one and moderate it. Until then, you have no right beyond anyone else on here.

Are you saying I cannot defend MY Lord? I am supposed to just sit and watch as the Antichrist spread doubt “ON A BELIEVERS” Place.

Which you and Mandy thought was only for believers in JESUS!

You don't think that was deceiving?

AGAIN You don't have to believe in JESUS to post there NOW~! But at the time you NOR Mandy in fact NOBODY believed that you could be an ANTICHRIST and post there. I thought and so did you….that the believers place was for only BELIEVERS.

But that did not stop you OR Mandy from spreading doubt there…did it?

NO! I am NOT RESPONSIBLE for allowing Antichrist for Posting here. Thank You very much!

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