Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 06 2005,17:04)Hi kenrch, Rev 20 12-13. I don't think there is any difference between the two in terms that all of them come before the throne, but some of the various groups are specified. Why should the fact that they were standing matter? They are resurrected into their bodies.Hi Nick,Rev. 20:11 The Great White…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2005,18:25)Hi, No matter what the name of God is, Jesus told us to address Him as “Our Father”. He did. I think we should do that too.So why is it so important to JWs? Do you think that in the Old Testament He had no human children (Jesus being the first) so He wouldn't let them call Him Father? If that being so then…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 30 2005,15:49)Hi bastion,I have brought up a forum on judgement in the biblical section. Matt 25.46″ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life”Nick,That's “everlasting punishment, not “everlasting punish-ing”.The punishment is everlasting death. Not death, then death, then death.…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 29 2005,17:11)Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 28 2005,23:03)Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2005,15:24)The Christian congregation is “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9) Replacing natural Israel as God’s nation, it becomes a new Israel that is “really ‘Israel.’” (Romans 9:6-8; Matthew 21:43)ROMANS 9:6-8“However…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2005,15:24)The Christian congregation is “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.” (1 Peter 2:9) Replacing natural Israel as God’s nation, it becomes a new Israel that is “really ‘Israel.’” (Romans 9:6-8; Matthew 21:43)ROMANS 9:6-8“However, it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who from Israe…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 28 2005,19:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2005,17:47)Hi kenrch, No. They are only those saved from the Jewish people in my opinion.Nick,Aren't all the 144k Jews?Nick,The people of the saints will inherit the earth (Dan 7:27).Their are two resurrections one of the saints (1st resurrection) and one of the people of the saints…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2005,17:47)Hi kenrch, No. They are only those saved from the Jewish people in my opinion.Nick,Aren't all the 144k Jews?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2005,16:55)Hi kenrch, They are mentioned twice in Revelation, 7 and 14 They are the “remnant of Israel” coming from the Jewish tribes as in Rev7. God always saves a remnant but so few survive judgement and are bondservants . They are the first fruits, those perfect Jews who inherit the kingdom under OT Law, but as Rev…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 28 2005,16:37)Hi david, I have an open mind on this matter. If you go to the end of the bible in Rev 21.fthen you see man living on the renewed earth.  The millenial kingdom after the first resurrection is on the earth. The new Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God to earth.The earth is the inheritance of men.-“The…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2005,00:50)Yes, I know.  I've been having this conversation with Nick for a month in the hades/hell thread.Like I told you some of those old doctrines are rooted deep and it takes time to uproot them. Some times you kill the tree if your not carefull.

Quote (david @ Nov. 28 2005,00:26)Quote I totally agree.The truth is what matters and anything else is either the word of man or a doctrine of demons.If the bible repeatedly talks about 'destruction' of the wicked and repeatedly uses the word 'perish', then who are we to argue with that.I know that the Roman Catholic Church used the doctrine of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,23:59)Hey Kenrch,I haven't looked at this stuff for a while, but what I remember is that Druids used to worship evergreen trees.  Holly and mistletoe are also plants that don't loose their greenage.  (Is that a word?)  They don't loose their leaves.OK, let's take it back a step.  In ancient times, people were much muc…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,23:49)Quote I follow the truth not a denomination.  The definition of a cult is anyone who rejects the Tinity.I'm not sure why you say this.  I only mention the early Christians and yes, I guess you could consider them a cult based on many definitions, even your definition. But really, a cult isn't defined as anyone w…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,22:58)I've never actually come across anyone who didn't believe that some go to heaven until I talked to Nick.  I usually encounter the exact opposite: Everyone goes to heaven–the good, the not so good, etc, and no one will reside on the earth.I'm wondering what everyone thinks of this subject.I'm wondering what…[Read more]

Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 27 2005,23:27)Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,22:47)Someone just posted the Question of Christmas.  I'm wondering what people think of celebrating birthdays.  I'm wondering what people know about the history and customs of birthdays.  I did quite a bit of research on this about ten years ago.  Here's what I found.  It will also…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,22:47)Someone just posted the Question of Christmas.  I'm wondering what people think of celebrating birthdays.  I'm wondering what people know about the history and customs of birthdays.  I did quite a bit of research on this about ten years ago.  Here's what I found.  It will also shed a little bit of light on Chri…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,22:37)It matters to Christ.  Calling a weed a rose does not make it a rose.Jesus said:  “For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth.” (John 18:37)Jesus was born to bear witness to the truth.  And how does the world celebrate his birth?  Humans have taken…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2005,01:38)1 Thessalonians 4:16 (New American Standard Bible)For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. How should this sentence be taken?  Here is a sentence that is very similar in stucture.  What does it m…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 27 2005,01:25)Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 26 2005,19:16)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 26 2005,18:51)Hi kenrch, The bible does not say the Word created anything. God is the creator who created everything including Michael, through Christ.I believe the word says all things were created by Him and for Him. Col 1:16I guess that means…[Read more]

Quote (Woutlaw @ Nov. 26 2005,17:45)“Anyone who wants to save his own life will lose it and anyone who loses his life for my sake will save it” now look at the end of this passage. Notice Jesus says anyone who loses his life for MY sake will save it. Now 11 of the apostle's and many of our first century bretheren sealed their faith with their…[Read more]