Hi Danny and All,

So either you believe the clear given word and apply to all of scripture or you don’t.

YHVH ALONE DOES ALL THESE THINGS. He brings forth all manner of physical and mental diseases (AKA evil spirits), He raises up kings and makes them fall, He interjects in war and determines outcomes, He brings forth pestilence, hail,…[Read more]

I am hoping that continuing the discussion of fallen angels and such on here will then lead us back to understanding the below passage.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the…[Read more]

I am going to post in the Enmity thread and Berean I see your post with the question about who is the serpent in the garden and so I will answer that there as well.

Hi Danny,

I see that DT revealed to you that Beelzebub is nothing but a false god of the Philistines, which was a point I was going to make.

There as some truths I think you need to think through and some scriptures then that need to be relooked at.

Other religions attributed both physical and mental illnesses and diseases to be coming from…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

YOU: Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin wit…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I hope you and Danny as well can continue the debate about fallen angels in the enmity thread as it would be more appropriate to continue over there.

I will give in this post however the following,

Satan = adversary – not fallen angel (God’s faithful messengers and humans are called adversaries in scripture)

Devil=…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for giving your more in depth belief, but I am sure you are not surprised to hear that I find major fault with it for a number of scriptural reasons.

YOU: All intelligent beings were created free to choose between obedience or disobedience to the great principles of truth, righteousness, and love. Lucifer (meaning…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

When was the last time you read through the book of Job?

Job 42: 1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said, 2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. 3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Actually I am going to post on the fairly recent thread I started about the Enmity as this is exactly what I hoped to get into so we could identify the devil to which Christ destroyed through his death.

Hi Berean,

Thanks for engaging with me on this topic.

I hope you will continue and I will post bringing up an old thread specifically on this topic.

Hi Berean,

YOU: Why do you set aside the passages which clearly state that Satan , the devil, is the fallen angels who have been deceiving the world from the beginning?

ME: “clearly state”?  Isaiah 14 does not contain the words “Satan” “devil” or “fallen angel”, though the king of Babylon could be called an adversary/saw-tawn for sure and…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Isaiah 14:2 They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors. 3 On the day the LORD gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this taunt against <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>the king of Babylon</span>: How <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>the…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Well you certainly sound confident in your position but it’s unfortunate that you are saying you have no interest in defending it.

The adversary in the book of Job was not a FALSE accuser which is what a devil/diablols is, a slanderer/false accuser. The adversary in the book of Job was 100% CORRECT of his assessment of the heart of Job…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

I know I opened up a can of worms giving my understanding from scripture as to who the diabolos/saw-tawn tempting Jesus was and I thank you for responding specifically about the “Satan” we read of in the book of Job, to further the discussion.

You:

The Bible clearly teaches that Satan is a real person.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when…[Read more]

To All,

Carmel: AT THE RIVER JORDAN JESUS WAS ONLY REVEALED OFFICIALLY WHO HE WAS FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME, AND THE SPIRIT ASCENDED ONLY AS A SIGN IN ISRAEL

ME: What he has said above is a complete falsehood that goes against direct text, it is against the very clear word of God.
At the river Jordan the Spirit descended and CAME TO ABODE UPON…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

The text of Luke 3 and 4 tell us that at the river Jordan Jesus was baptized and was praying and then the heavens opened up where the Holy Spirit descended in bodily shape like a dove upon him AND that he left the river Jordan “full of the Holy Spirit”.

The Holy Spirit descended upon him at the river Jordan and he left the river…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

I thought you had acknowledged that having the power of the Spirit goes without saying when one has been filled with the Spirit?

Zechariah had been filled with the Spirit to then give prophecy, where it is simply understood and thus goes without saying, he thus had received the power of the Spirit to be able to give the prophecy. It…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

You: ONLY JESUS RECEIVED ALL THE ABOVE BY THE POWER OF THE SPIRIT WITHOUT MEASURE, BUT NOT INCESSANTLY POSSESSED!

ME: There exists no scriptural support for what you have stated what so ever. You continually add into scripture what is not there and turn the bible into a book of nonsense.

As said before there exists no scripture that…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

As I said before, pay attention to the context.

Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

Luke 5:15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their…[Read more]

Hi All,

Ephesians 3: 1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of…[Read more]