Hi Berean,

The pre-existence belief does not add up to me at all because of many specific passages.

The passages you give to prove he pre-existed, I understand differently, and that which I understand fits perfectly with all other scriptures.

Can you talk about the below passage Berean, how does it fit with your belief?

Acts 3:22 For Moses…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Jesus Christ = Jesus Christ

It’s not twisted to believe that Jesus Christ humbled himself when he was in the wilderness and went 40 days and 40 nights without food and had an empty stomach and found himself hungry, where he had the power to make bread from stones, but he emptied himself of his own desires and will, remaining a servant…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

What exactly have I said that you specifically believe is twisted? The fact that I said Jesus Christ = Jesus Christ?

What is TWISTED is that you think Paul is teaching that people need to be like minded with a pre-existing son in heaven who was not a servant.

What is twisted is that,

Jesus on earth has the full measure of God’s…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I apologize for a misinterpretation to your belief.

I recall you saying that in order for us to be saved the pre-existing Jesus had to come down to earth.

You say he emptied himself when he came, of what exactly did he empty himself of and what exactly was left that came with him down to earth?

Jesus said he did not come of his own…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I really hope you can reply to this post specifically. I discussed this already, maybe I missed your response somewhere.

I believe Philippians 2 gives us a MOST profound truth, where it also brings greater meaning to other passages. I would argue your interpretation is empty, where mine is quite rich. So let’s COMPARE!!

Concerning…[Read more]

Yes Lightenup I see that too. Sometimes when I post and I click the submit box it takes me to a new page that has no posts, just the text box to make a post. When I go to the page before that, my post is not there either.

Hi t8,

The SON OF MAN ascended to where he was before.

The SON OF MAN was in heaven and came to earth?

I though you believed an anointed spirit only begotten son came down from heaven and emptied himself to become a Son of Man? Are you saying he transformed himself into a man first and then descended?

Threads are overlapping as usually where…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

We have pretty much the same discussion happening on multiple threads, lol. I saw earlier your quote from John 6 which applies to your post here on Ephesians 4.

John 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth (makes alive); the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that…[Read more]

Hi Ed J and t8,

Ed J, I agree to what you said regarding “The Word” really being God’s Holy Spirit.

Jesus says that the words that he speaks are Spirit and they are life. We are also told that God would raise up a prophet from among brethren and God would put His words into his mouth. We are also told that Jesus spoke God’s word through having…[Read more]

Hi t8,

Thanks for checking in directly on this thread, though I did see the other thread specifically on this issue and commented there too.

As said, I have never used the back button ever to try and edit a post, I have always used the edit button. Also I have never posted the same post twice on purpose. If my post doesn’t show up I even go…[Read more]

Thanks for checking in on this!

I always click on the edit, make my edit and then click submit. I actually have never hit the back button before to try and edit. Sometimes I see that the post has been deleted after I attempted to edit it. Even weirder is that when I am viewing the different threads it says I was the last person to post, but when…[Read more]

Hello All,

Before John became an apostle writing down for us the word of God’s gospel, that word of God’s gospel was declared by God before the world was.

Paul speaks of this gospel,

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after…[Read more]

I had submitted the below post,  and it was there, but yet again when I went to edit it, the entire post got erased once I submitted the edit. Then when attempting to post it again it wouldn’t as it said it was a duplicate.

Hi t8,

The Son of Man ascending to where he was before is speaking of his resurrection. He was on earth, he died and was…[Read more]

Hi t8,

The Son of Man ascending to where he was before is speaking of his resurrection. He was on earth, he died and was RAISED UP on earth again, where the people witnessed that he had ascended, where he was of  the very glory that God had promised unto mankind before the world was.

The bread from heaven Jesus says is HIS FLESH, and that flesh…[Read more]

Hello All,

WHO Is God’s only begotten Son? 

A pre-existing begotten son who was sent to earth by God’s will and not his own, for to be a man to save us from our sins?

or

Jesus of Nazareth who received God’s Spirit and the powers thereof in full measure, called an ANOINTING, and THEN was sent for the purpose TO preach God’s word, TO preach of…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU: He came from God and was with God in the beginning.

ME: Jesus Christ came from God and this Jesus was declared by God in the beginning, as the man who would come and execute God’s purpose. Jesus is the bread from heaven and that bread is his flesh, not any flesh, but flesh that received the fullness of God’s Spirit and power and…[Read more]

Good Morning Ed J,

Thanks for your post.

My focus is actually on God’s Spirit and what that Spirit accomplished through His Son Jesus Christ, eternal life, who has been declared firstborn of many. 

I can’t help it Ed J, I choose to not ignore that which our heavenly Father declared from the beginning, that a human was chosen from among his…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

That’s NOT what the scripture says. It does not say, Before Abraham was I am from eternity, it says I AM.

Jesus said, “I AM the resurrection and the LIFE” 

Did Abraham die knowing of God’s covenant, that God would through his seed bring all nations to be blessed? YES

Just prior to that verse did Jesus speak of Abraham seeing…[Read more]

Hi t8,

YOU:It is NOT a LIE that Jesus is said to be a Son of a human and that he is said to be a Human.
That is not a lie. But saying that he is only that is a lie.

ME:

Jesus is called a human because that is what kind of BEING he is said to exist as. 

MORE than a human, as representing him existing of an additional other kind of being, does…[Read more]

Hi t8,

YOU:

He came in the flesh to become one of us, so we could be born again and become like him, the son of God.

Through him God created the universe.

ME:

“He“, that came into the world, is he whom God SENT upon God anointing him with the full measure of His Spirit, hence why we are told that Jesus Christ came in the flesh AND he is l…[Read more]