Hi Pilgrim,

YOU:

Where Christians have a disagreement with you is that that MAN was not just a purpose in the will of God but a person/being as it says in Ephesians 1 “hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world”.  God by the Apostles through revelations has “made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I like your boldness and colors you used in your last post!

However, I will say that the content of what you posted and your accusation I see as quite deceptive, twisted and foolish.

Yes indeed Jesus came to his own and many of his own rejected him.

YOU:

The Jews believed that Jesus was a son of man, but they did not believe that…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:

Jodi and Gene,

Do you think that Jesus walked in the Spirit or was he made to walk in the Spirit?

ME: Jesus we are told was baptized in water, and then the Spirit descended upon him, called an anointing, and we are told in prophecy that he would be called to righteousness where upon that calling YHWH would direct all his ways. YHWH…[Read more]

Hi Pilgrim and welcome!

You:Be careful therefore not to wrongly charge Christians who believe in Christ as the Son Of God and Son Of Man, as the manifestation of the preexistent WORD who has given light to everyone who has come into the world (past, present and future), who was made flesh, all of which is in adherence to scripture, with such…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Thanks you and same to you!

You said it well, “people are caught up in mystery concepts that are not in our texts and even concepts that go completely against what most of our scriptures say. ”

Peace and love to you, Jodi

Hi LU,

I just realized I posted this on a different thread, so wanted to put it here too.

YOU:Christians all over the world see this passage as referring to the Son being born/begotten/brought forth. This happened before creation.

ME: To denote that portion of the chapter to the Son, is to IGNORE the first half of the passage and also that of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

JESUS WAS AND IS THE OWN SON OF GOD AND TO SHOW US TO BECOME A SON OF GOD , HE BECAME A SON OF MAN;

ME: You are giving me your theology not scripture. 

YOU: “to show us to become a Son of God, he became a Son of Man”

Berean, prophecy was for a Son of Man to come who the LORD would rest His Spirit upon him and send him out…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:Christians all over the world see this passage as referring to the Son being born/begotten/brought forth. This happened before creation.

ME: To denote that portion of the chapter to the Son, is to IGNORE the first half of the passage and also that of Proverbs 3 along with other clear passages. 

One does not have truth when they…[Read more]

Hi LU,

We are given 2 types of Adams/human beings in the bible. 

The first type of human being represents a human that does not have all of our heavenly Father’s Spirit dwelling ALL IN. Without that full measure sin is inevitable, as we are told, the carnal mind is not subject to the law nor indeed can be, and that it is the Spirit that gives…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Jesus is certainely  a person who has had a perfect life on earth…and much more

BUT about his identity He is not “a son of God as a perfect man” as you say …

ME:

Eph 4: 3 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness…[Read more]

Hi All,

Born and Begotten are interchangeable.

We see both those words used in one passage where they both come from the same Greek word.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God,…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Maybe there is even more additional room in your doctrine for more scriptures,

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”

“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

“And that every tongue should confess…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU: That Father/Son relationship presumes one is greater than the other in authority and in that sense the one with the greater authority would be God to the other.

ME: 

This is great! It’s nice to see you actually acknowledging a truth from scripture and making room for it in your doctrine.

You acknowledge that the Son has a God and th…[Read more]

Hi Davo,

Heaven and earth were created by the POWERS (plural) of YHWH’s Spirit. The ONE SPIRIT consists of multiple powers, such is the true Elohiym.

1:1 In the beginning Elohiym (POWERS of YHWH’s Spirit) created the heaven and the earth.

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Hi Jodi

Considere Colossians 1:17a

17a And he is before all things,…

Thanks

ME: Berean, why don’t YOU consider the CONTEXT of “and <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>he</span> is <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>before</span> all things..” that is directly given to you in the passage. You are not only directly told as to WHO the “…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:

Hi Jodi,

The Luke 16:3 is a good verse to show that Strong’s #2962 could be lord as in human master, or Lord who has all authority in heaven and on earth. Is the Son of God the Lord of you in the sense of having all authority in heaven and on earth?

ME:

The Son of God is my Lord as he was appointed by his God and my God to have a…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Matthew 20:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

Matthew 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

The lord referenced above is called “the lord” for…[Read more]

Hi Lu,

Here is a passage where “my” mou and “lord” kurios, represent a rich man.

Luke 16:3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

here is a verse for you,

29 And Jesus answered him,The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The…[Read more]

Hi LU,

I can call Jesus the master, as I can call him the king, as I can call him the Christ, or the Son of God.

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Just as Jesus is THE Christ and THE Son, he is THE lord, and THE king.

THE lord and THE Christ, according to Acts specifically, would…[Read more]

Hi LU,

ME: LU, Jesus was making the point that without his God he is nothing.

YOU: That is so far from reality.

The Father and the Son do nothing apart from each other. Together they can do everything needed.

ME: It is obviously far from reality in your own mind but <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>it is INDEED the VERY REALITY of scripture and…[Read more]