Hi Proclaimer,

YOU:

But do you believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?
Do you believe that he is the Word of God?
Do you believe that the Word became flesh?
I do not think you do.
You say his name is Jesus and the Word of God, yet you say he is Jesus, but NOT the Word of God.
More holes than a sieve.

ME: 

Jesus Christ came in the flesh,…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU:

But do you believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh?

ME:

Jesus was anointed and sent, thus Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Though we were not given his name in prophecy, YHVH’s word was that a son of Jesse would be anointed with the Spirit and then sent out into the world to be a savior through preaching God’s word a…[Read more]

Proclaimer

YOU:

The same strawman argument. Yes he was a man. Move on. This argument is missing the target everytime. It is why I do not read your posts because it is an essay with the same message, “Jesus was a man”. Get over it. No one disagrees. Lol.

ME: 

Proclaimer, what are you saying??

Concerning Jesus, Gene and I only work to prov…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

I am putting this post on this thread as it’s more appropriate, replying to your straw man argument comment.

This is the argument I put forth here and now okay.

The Son of Man Jesus was IN YHVH’s word from the beginning, not Jesus pre-existed in the beginning, nor did he pre-exist as YHVH’s word in the beginning. 

I believe…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I pulled this from the other thread and have fixed it for you!

Out of brethren Jesus was chosen to receive God’s Spirit without measure to be for a light, sent out into the world being in the form of God, the “brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person”.

Though he received the Spirit and power of God and thoug…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

What Jesus did was empty himself of his own will, render his will to be null and void. 

No reputation, he wasn’t doing his own will, he declared that he was following only God’s will, he rendered his own will as invalid/null, useless.

Hi Berean,

You separate Paul’s words trying to say that he is speaking of separate instances, all the while ignoring clear given truths from other passages that show such is not possible.

There existed no Son, God promised there would be a Son, “I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son.” 1 Chronicles 17

There existed no firstborn,…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Do You think That a mere man Can

UPHOLDING ALL THINGS BY THE WORD OF HIS POWER ???

ME: 

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: FOR God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. 

Deut 18:18 I will RAISE them up a Prophet FROM AMONG their BRETHREN, like unto thee, and will put MY WORDS in his mouth; and…[Read more]

Berean,

YHVH made man in His own IMAGE. 

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, for as much as he is the image and glory of God..

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU:

The contention here is not those scriptures but the other scriptures that you never quote and generally ignore.

6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human…[Read more]

I thought it appropriate to add this post to this thread that I had started. 
Hi All,
Proclaimer: Existed in the form of God, emptied himself, became human (came in the flesh), humbled himself, and died for us.
ME: 
Hebrews 1::3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his…[Read more]

Hi All,

Proclaimer: Existed in the form of God, emptied himself, became human (came in the flesh), humbled himself, and died for us.

ME: 

Hebrews 1::3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, WHEN he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand o…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Yes his name is called The Word of God. 

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Also let’s consider that Jesus’ given name means YHVH is salvation.

YHVH’s word that He Himself spoke regarding salvation,

Isaiah 45:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

One word can have different meanings and it is the surrounding context and other given truths from passages that establishes the correct meaning that is to be applied. 

DIA,

1. through
a. of place
1. with
2. in
 b. of time
1. throughout
2. during
C. of means
1. by the means of

 2. through
a. the ground or reason by which so…[Read more]

Carmel,

The given scripture is the truth, and with any given scripture the concluded understanding/meaning of it must align with all other scriptures. Many scriptures are not understood properly unless you have a firm knowledge of other scriptures and directly apply them.

You believe the bible holds hidden meanings and you quote scripture…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Jesus came from heaven sent by God the Father; he himself is the LIVING BREAD FROM HEAVEN …
HE WAS WITH GOD AND HE WAS GOD …. THIS IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.
Read John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

ME: 

Like I said you don’t apply what Jesus said in John 17,

Jesus tells you that he was…[Read more]

Berean,

For you to have any credibility in an accusation you need to quote something that I have said and show specifically how it is twisted against God’s word.

Proclaimer,

God is very detailed in His given word, the truth is in the details of His word and He gave us a very long book.

Details applied to details establishes for us His clear message.

I give you posts of scriptures containing CRUCIAL DETAILS and will also repeat exactly those details.

“Long posts” equate to 2-3 minutes of your time to…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

When there are scriptures that are to be applied together and they give a clear truth, I ask that you take 2 minutes of your time to read those scriptures.

Hi Proclaimer,

Think about this, 

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Paul who knows that Jesus is the Son of Man “exalted to the right hand of God having received of the Father the promise of the Holy…[Read more]