Hi Gene,

It’s just another day on the forum! We’ll stay strong and just keep plugging on I suppose!

Proclaimer,

You: “Do not let deceit in your heart win again. Be honest and let light into the darkness where deceit lies.”

ME: This is total slander, care to give me an example as to when you knew that I had deceit in my heart and it won?

YOU: Not my measure of judgement. Don’t shoot the messenger.

But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes’ and your ‘No’ b…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU: The bible clearly says Christ was born in Bethlehem.

ME: The bible also clearly says that Jesus was “BORN KING of the Jews”. 

But he WAS NOT a KING with a kingdom, when he was born. 

Likewise, he was not a savior when he was born, and it’s very ridiculous to think the baby Jesus was a lord over anyone when he was born, nei…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Jodi

If Jesus were only a man, he could not judge the good and the bad …
think a little
Jesus is called THE WORD and he is God made flesh.
If you don’t believe this part of the truth, you cannot understand the rest and you will continue to preach an outlaw Christ ….

ME: 

You said,  “If Jesus were only a man, he could not jud…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

You: “Do not let deceit in your heart win again. Be honest and let light into the darkness where deceit lies.”

ME: This is total slander, care to give me an example as to when you knew that I had deceit in my heart and it won?

Hi Proclaimer,

ME:  I don’t read the verse and see it as you do, so your question doesn’t work.

YOU:
Its not a verse Jodi but purely a statement worded by me.

Do you believe that statement?

Yes, No, I don’t know. Here it is again.

The messiah’s name is Jesus and also The Word of God. He is Jesus but he is not The Word of God.

Do not let dece…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU:

Likewise, there is no amount of scriptures you can post saying Jesus existed as a human that will ever change the scriptural fact that he first existed (and does again) as a spirit entity in heaven alongside his and our God, YHVH.

ME:

That’s just it though, he doesn’t exist as a spirit entity in heaven Mike, he sits at YHVH’s…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

YOU:

Jodi, is this statement what you believe, yes, no, or don’t know.

The messiah’s name is Jesus and also The Word of God. He is Jesus but he is not The Word of God.

Yes or no.

And I realise you will not an answer this directly because you are not honest enough. Can you see the deceit in your heart now?

ME:

Proclaimer, I don…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I did answer you about THE SON OF MAN COMING IN HIS OWN GLORY, read reply #866735.

Hi Berean,

YOU: Read Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.

ME: Exactly, THE SON OF MAN has his own glory!! This verse seems to speak totally against you Berean, as it speaks to the Son of Man having h…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Please address specifically,

You are told that YHVH made all things alone, all by Himself, and that He declared the END from the beginning. As YHVH declared the end from the beginning, He likewise revealed that word of the end to the prophets. That end you are directly told is a son of David who is given an eternal throne, a Son of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You are not getting my point at all.

Jesus is still a man, and you are told that he as a man has the glory of the Father.  

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 17:2 There he was transfigured before them. His face…[Read more]

Berean,

How does this fit your doctrine, you say Jesus left his glory behind but yet the people saw his glory?

John 1:14 “…and we beheld his glory…””

How does this fit your doctrine, you say Jesus left his glory behind to temporarily become a man, don’t you?..but yet it is Jesus as a Son of Man who dwells in the glory of the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

The Word became flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Must be a coincidence Jodi.

Me: You deny that the son of Jesse, Jesus of Nazareth, became Christ according to God’s promised word, so it seems.

The WORD of God was made true in Jesus of Nazareth, Isaiah 11, 42, 45, and 61, 

That WORD was that the son of Jesse would be…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

ME: 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

You think Jesus was in heaven before in the form of God, where he himself you say is God also, but yet he came down from heaven not to do his own will?? How does that make any sense?

YOU: My answer is that only the divine Son of God could…[Read more]

oops I realized I said JESSE and not JESUS,

“IF JESUS AND “THEY” ARE NOT OF THE WORLD BUT WERE SENT INTO THE WORLD, WHERE DID THEY COME FROM???? HEAVEN, FROM GOD OF COURSE.

Hi Berean,

It’s so unfortunate how you continuously, and very conveniently to serve your doctrine, refuse to APPLY scripture with scripture.

38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

John 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Berean, is your God not all knowing? When God declared the END from the beginning, where He knew that all flesh would come to worship Him, where He knew t…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Let’s talk about John 17:5 and 24!!

Now recall how THE SON OF MAN DIES and ASCENDS to where he was before, but this time he is a Son of Man who was raised/ascended in GLORY, in power, made incorruptible (I Cor 15).

Also know that this Son of Man was exalted to sit at God’s right hand, just as Jesus prophesied of himself.

Mark 14:…[Read more]

Good Morning Berean,

YOU:

When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ASCEND UP WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?(John 5)

SEE ALSO JOHN 17: 5,24

ME:

Berean, in John 6 Jesus is speaking to his death, his shed blood and his broken body of flesh, having them…[Read more]