Hi Proclaimer,

YOU: So he didn’t come in the flesh then according to you. He was already flesh.

ME:

God’s word was that the son of Jesse, a HUMAN OF FLESH, would be anointed and then SENT out into the world to preach and deliver captives, thus our Messiah CAME in the flesh, doing so exactly as God had promised. 

When he was SENT FROM God ou…[Read more]

Proclaimer and All,

Dia in verse two and in verse 16 below, means “by reason of”.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds.

Col 1:16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

Those two passages directly support my narrative I created directly out of scripture, I was actually speaking to those scriptures directly as a matter of fact.

Let’s be HONEST here and speak to the issue at hand, you are applying one legitimate meaning of the word “dia” and Gene and I are applying a different legitimate meaning of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Jesus was a teacher COME FROM GOD,

likewise in John 3,

it is the SON OF MAN that CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN

Berean, if you tell me it was a spirit Son of God that came down from heaven, that is a false doctrine directly against Jesus’s own words in John 3.

Berean if you COME FROM GOD that is the SAME as COMING DOWN FROM HEAVEN.

Hi All,

INDEED, the Son of Man Jesus “HAD COME FROM GOD” as a teacher bringing God’s word.

This Son of Man “COMETH FROM ABOVE” speaking heavenly things, not being of the earth, but having come down from heaven. 

Jesus had been born again of water and of the Spirit making him God’s Son whom God sent into the world to preach and set us at…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU: But you don’t believe the truth. If you did, you would believe this:

“but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.”

ME: Gene is absolutely right, we believe that scripture, and Gene points out to you how you deny an OT passage and don…[Read more]

Hi Berean and All,

Seriously??

Jesus is the ONLY mortal man to be begotten with the Spirit without measure, it comes to abode upon him for the purpose of him to be sent out into the world to PREACH the TRUTH, where those who believe are saved. But to you people that is NOT Jesus as God’s only begotten Son who was sent into the world full of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Jodi

Jesus tells us that he came down from heaven (his first home and that of the Father) to come and do not his own will but that of the One who sent him.
How can you not believe this?

ME: First off this “first home” business is NOT true, not only never mentioned as such by Jesus but is against scripture. 

1 Chronicles 17…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Your statement is truly hypocritical. </span>

What are ALL the similarities in this case that point that this would be a pre-existent Jesus, the words “The Son of God”?

John 1:7 is not referencing the LIGHT of Isaiah 42?

John 1:10 doesn’t fulfill Isaiah’s prophecy of people rejecting their own kin as…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

Yes, the very word translated as angel, Mal’ak, means messenger, and sometimes the surrounding context let’s you know that the Mal’ak is a celestial messengers verses a human messenger.

Daniel 3 is no proof that Jesus pre-existed and was this particular Son of God who God sent to carry out His will and save Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

Berean,

Christ is NOT earthly! Your perception of my belief is false, and if you have read what I have posted you would know I would never say such a thing. 

When Jesus was ANOINTED with the Spirit and SENT out into the world TO PREACH the word of God, he said that he was not of this world. Christ is not earthly, he is HEAVENLY, sent down from…[Read more]

Proclaimer:

Were you the Word that became flesh?

Did God create all things through you and for you?

Will you upon death be in the glory you had with the Father before the cosmos?

Scripture says these about Jesus Christ. So he is already different.

He emptied himself and became a man. Was born as an innocent child and had to learn like us.

So…[Read more]

Berean,

Get real, Gene has said plenty, given you scriptures like I have that you ignore and refuse to discuss, which goes to show you have zero credibility unto God’s word.

One must be able to discuss any and all of scripture and show how any passage fits perfectly with their understanding to other scriptures.

To All,

As said earlier,

Jesus who was the Son of Man exalted to God’s right hand, is God’s Son ACCORDING TO the Spirit by his resurrection from the dead, where he had received that Spirit when he rose from the dead ACCORDING TO A PROMISE. 

People that is clear given truth, where it is then a lie to say that our lord Jesus Christ in heaven is…[Read more]

Thanks Gene,

As Proclaimer has made the point numerous times that we just argue that Jesus was a man and that’s it, the truth is there is much more that we have been showing through the scriptures we post. 

There needs to be a discussion, and I did post this rather recently to Mike, around what is the END that we are given.

Likewise, people…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

TOTAL FAIL on your part. 

You need to post the scriptures I gave and talk about them or you have zero credibility. 

Once again you divert to yet another verse you misinterpret.

To All,

Jesus, the Son of Man who is in heaven at God’s right hand, is the son of David, and he is “declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.”

Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received…[Read more]

Berean,

God sends HIS angels, who are His Sons, to earth to perform His will, and they obey Him.

Daniel 3 is speaking of one of God’s Sons, an angel, that performed God’s will. 

To All,

The below passages give us a clear message,

Luke 4:1 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. 

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his…[Read more]