Hi LU,

Humans are beside the Son of Man when he returns as the man God ordained to judge the earth and destroy enemies. They alongside him judge and destroy, so that YHVH’s kingdom will then rule overall.  

The below passage is speaking of humans who do YHVH’s commandments. Humans who are YHVH’s messengers obeying him harkening unto His word so t…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Psal 104:4 Making His messengers the winds, His ministers the flaming fire.

For what purpose?

Psalm 104:35 Consumed are sinners from the earth, And the wicked are no more. Bless, O my soul, Jehovah. Praise ye Jehovah!

Joel 2: 2 a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to…[Read more]

Hi Lu,

Psalms 104: 3 Who is laying the beam of His upper chambers in the waters, Who is making thick clouds His chariot, Who is walking on wings of wind, 4 Making His messengers the winds, His ministers the flaming fire. 5 He hath founded earth on its bases, It is not moved to the age and for ever. 6 The abyss! as with clothing Thou hast cover…[Read more]

Good Morning LU,

Much to respond to and I will break it down in a few posts.

I do not see in your reply you giving proof at all to the specific scriptures I gave, showing how they are not speaking of God’s human messengers the Saints, but are as you say, speaking of celestial messengers. All you did was accuse me of being confused and wrong,…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

The scriptures that I gave you, ALL of them support exactly what I say. This is because my beliefs are created from them, where I make sure that my interpretation of certain scriptures rely on other clear passages, as there can be no contradictions. You on the other hand have a doctrine where you just pick and choose only the passages…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

2 Peter 1:4 whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration (NEW…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Jesus was of the divine nature of his Father and our Father, his God and our God. 

Jesus said in John 20 “I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”

Who ascended, what kind of being was he?

Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man (anthropos –HUMAN BEING) sit on the right hand of the power of…[Read more]

Hi Carmel,

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the…[Read more]

Berean,

YOU: All this for DENY
THE DIVINITY OF THE DIVINE SON OF GOD.

ME:

As said to you prior, Gene and I DO NOT DENY THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON OF GOD. Let’s be honest here, I gave you scripture that defines the divine nature and you ignored those scriptures.

Berean,

The fact that you cannot speak to the many passages I gave and show how they fit with your doctrine tells us a lot. 

Berean,

My scriptural support does not end!

Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice…[Read more]

HI Berean,

Matthew 27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Another example that Jesus is recognized as the Son of God because the powers of the Spirit came to live within him. He came out of the water and the Spirit entered him, he was…[Read more]

HI Berean,

Matthew 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Why did they fear the Son of God, because he came from being  a pre-existing Son of God who entered a womb and became flesh, or because he was a man of flesh sent out into the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Matthew 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him,O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? 32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased. 33 Then they that…[Read more]

Proclaimer,

Luke 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 29 And all the people that…[Read more]

Berean,

You once again you lack scriptural support. You making capitals is your support? Because you say so seems to be the gist of you providing support.

You can’t even acknowledge the point I made that comes from a direct passage.

This is very simple and clear Berean.

IF YOU BE THE SON OF GOD COMMAND THESE STONES TO BECOME BREAD. 

That has…[Read more]

To Berean and All,

John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34…[Read more]

Hi Berean, 

There is NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT THAT there was a previous sending of Jesus into the world where he came down from heaven and entered a womb. 

ALL scripture speaking of “he” who was sent, is speaking of Jesus Christ. John preached before HIS COMING. There was no SENDING until Jesus was begotten of the Spirit of YHVH, it came upon him a…[Read more]

Hi All,

Let me add and combine,

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we…[Read more]