Hi LU,

Thanks for the welcome back! I am still extremely busy so I’m not sure how much I can commit between now and the next month, so please forgive me if I am on and off again, lol!

dia is to be translated in Hebrews 1:2 as through (by reason of)

Dia

1. through
   of place
   of time
   of means
2.  through
   a. the ground or reason by which something…

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Hi All,

I have been gone for a bit, I have been extremely busy and still am. This is the only thread I get emails of posts on and every now and then I get a moment to read some of them.

I just don’t understand at all how people believe that Jesus is the word of God as in he is the word of God, that is just totally nonsensical. Jesus is called…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU:

John 1:1-3 & 14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made….

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

You are not troubling me, I find this rather fascinating! I don’t recall, after being part of this forum for over a decade, ever debating with someone who has the same interpretations to certain NT passages that pre-existers do, but yet hold a different position all together from them.

Thanks for your reply, however it doesn’t seem like…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,

Acts 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. 23 Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: 24 When John had…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,,

Thank you for your reply!

Reading a few of your previous posts before I posted, I did gather that you do not believe in pre-existence. You did just prove to me again however that you are interpreting scripture as pre-existent believers do though, which I say is false interpretation.

Believe in and apply what we are told in Isaiah 46,…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

I am most happy to give scripture again that shows that Jesus Christ is of the divine nature, just as we are.

Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them,Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,

YOU:

John’s Gospel teaches that Jesus “came from above” (or similar wording, John 3:31; 6:38, 51; 8:23) and had glory with the Father in heaven in eternity past (John 17:5).

ME: Yes, Jesus Christ came from above, he came to the people directly from God, to put it in another way that means the exact same thing, Jesus Christ came to us…[Read more]

Hi Gadam,

YOU:

The New Testament teaches the heavenly preexistence of Christ before taking flesh:
For any person to be fully divine, he must exist forever—God, by definition, cannot begin to exist or be created. In various ways, the New Testament affirms that Christ did, in fact, exist in the spiritual or heavenly realm before being born in t…[Read more]

Hi LU,

You continue to speak the impossible where there is a serious lack of common sense and moreover you create much contradiction.

STOP and REALLY THINK!

Hebrews 1:1 God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, 2 hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in his Son, whom he…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Our heavenly Father’s name is YHVH and he is our Lord, as Psalms 8 is speaking of Him. The man who will put all enemies under feet has the name Jesus.

Psalms 8:1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Notice how YHVH is Lord in Psalms 8 and Jesus is YHVH’s anointed. The Father here is Lord, which does not mesh at all with your definition of YHVH.

Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his an…[Read more]

Hi LU,

I’d really like to discuss the below passage and the additional passages I believe are to be directly applied.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Prior to Hebrews 2 Paul establishes that he recognizes Jesus as God’s Son according to prophecy of Psalms 2 and of 1 Chronicles 17, these passages teach the very opposite of a pre-existing Son. In Hebrews 2 he also establishes that he recognizes Jesus from prophecy of Psalms 8, a man whom YHVH is mindful of and visits and crowns with glory…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

It is going to be you along with many others rejecting Jesus when he returns because you think he is God when he is the Son of Man returning in our Father’s glory. When he sits on his father David’s throne according to the flesh to rule the world, sounds like you will be thinking he is the antichrist.

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Hi Berean and All,

I am moving what Berean said from another thread to here.

Berean: The Word of God tells us that Jesus is the divine Son of God (John 1: 1), that his origin dates back to the days of eternity (Micah 5)

ME: The below passage doesn’t even contain the words Jesus, Son of God, or divine. You are giving us your interpretation that…[Read more]

Hi LU,

I knew you believed that YHVH was two people representing the Father and the Son, thanks for clarifying that you see YHVH as God the Father and Lord the Son. My stance is still the same, your doctrine is impossible according to scripture.

So how does it work LU, in certain passages YHVH means both and at other times it represents just one…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Gen 1:26 26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”

First Point: Yes mankind was given dominion overall the earth, but there is ONLY ONE MAN whom prophecy spoke of t…[Read more]

What is the context of chapter Psalms 8?

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Matthew 21:14 And the blind and the…[Read more]

LU,

You gave a few verses about celestial messengers, where not one of those verses identify them as the messengers who on YHVH’s day of vengeance are there executing His judgments consuming with fire and by the sword, sinners making the wicked no more so that YHVH’s kingdom can rein overall the earth.