Hi Berean,

Sorry it’s taken me two years to reply back on this, lol!

Jodi

“He was made in the likeness of man, for even though he knew no sin, God made him to be sin for us.

He was found in fashion as a man when he was numbered with transgressors.”

Words OF Jodi but not words OF God

The Words OF God:

Who, being in the form of God, tho…[Read more]

Hi LU,

I noticed what you said to Mike, your comparison of Israel and YHVH.

So yes, Israel is one person Jacob, and then Israel also represents Jacob and his children. As well Israel represents a kingdom in scripture and today it’s known as a country.

So if we were to make a direct comparison,

YHVH is one person and then YHVH also represents…[Read more]

Good Morning LU,

Wow sounds like you have been really busy! Good to here that everything is going well!

YOU: YHVH the Father and YHVH the Son do communicate, before flesh, during flesh, and after resurrection. The Son does everything the Father tells Him to do in every position. Try not to get too hung up on the Father telling the Son things. It…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Sounds great, start the thread! 🙂

Hi Mike,

Jodi:  17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

YOU: That seems to say that Jesus would have the spirit and power that Elijah had when he was on earth.

I don’t see what…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: Why did you start in verse 20, and also disregard what I just showed you from verses 18 and 19?

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

I did not disregard this, I explain my position to this scripture…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

This is straight forward to me according to Matthew, that the origin of Jesus comes from Joseph, that he is begotten/fathered by Joseph.

1 The book of the generation (genesis, source/origin) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your reply and reading through my posts 🙂

We read in Luke 1 that John was filled with the Spirit even in his mother’s womb.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness;…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: As you know, I believe Jesus existed in heaven before being born of God and Mary on earth. But scripture says in at least three places that Jesus was a creation of God at that point (“firstborn of every creature”, “Yahweh created me as the first of His works”, “the beginning of the creation of God”), not begotten of God. We also mus…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

I do not believe at all that Paul is speaking of two creations in Colossians 1.

The context clearly shows Paul is speaking of one creation, giving further clarity of that creation spoken of in verse 15 in verse 18, where Paul is speaking of he who was raised from the dead receiving his inheritance to which is also our own inheritance.…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: scripture says in at least three places that Jesus was a creation of God at that point (“firstborn of every creature”, “Yahweh created me as the first of His works”, “the beginning of the creation of God”), not begotten of God. We also must consider what Psalm 2:7 is referring to – which sounds to me like when God exalted Jesus…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Continuing on,

YOU: Also, since Jesus is the only human who was born as a combo of human woman and God Himself (Holy Spirit), then just being born on earth would also make sense as the time when Jesus became God’s true and actual “only begotten son”.

ME: My belief from scripture is that Jesus’s conception in a virgin occurred through…[Read more]

Good Morning Mike,

Thanks for your reply, there is a lot to cover so I will break it down.

YOU:  If Jesus is technically an only begotten right now with many brethren to join him in being begotten by God (John 1:12-13), then it could be that his being raised from the dead to life in heaven is the “begetting”, right?

ME: I don’t see it that w…[Read more]

Good Morning Mike,

Thanks for your question, “When do you think Jesus ceased being God’s only begotten son and became one of many begotten sons of God?”

God gave his only begotten Son unto death on the cross whereby the sins of the world were forgiven. When Jesus died the only begotten Son was thus dead. When Jesus rose receiving the promised S…[Read more]

Good Morning All,

I want to add a few more,

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God?

To have the Spirit of God dwelling in you that does not equate being thus of the Divine nature of God?

When Jesus received the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him that does not equate to him…[Read more]

Hi Berean and All,

Let me ask again from the previous post to Mike,

Being filled with the Spirit does not equate to being born of the Spirit and thus begotten by God? 

Also to have the Spirit of God dwelling in you that does not equate being thus of the Divine nature of God? 

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious p…[Read more]

Good Morning Mike,

Thanks for your question and in this case I did speak in error, thank you for catching that! God declared at the river Jordan upon Jesus being filled with the Spirit without measure that he was his beloved Son.

As Jesus was the only mortal human who was given the Spirit of God without measure to dwell in him, such tells me…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Jesus is good THROUGH our Heavenly Father’s Spirit living in him without measure, which causes him to walk in all of God’s ways, it is the Spirit of YHVH that causes righteousness and thus in turn brings forth eternal life.

The mortal man Jesus was declared by God to be His only begotten Son at the river Jordan, this is not the word…[Read more]

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:…[Read more]

Hi Carmel

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:…35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee sh…[Read more]