Berean,

When the Son of Man returns in our Father’s glory, I believe it is you that will reject him, thinking he must be an antichrist.

Will you be there when the fruit of David’s loins, according to the flesh, comes to sit on his father David’s throne?

Hi Mike,

YOU: Hi Jodi.  Your interpretation does not match the words of the text.  Let me remove some of the words of the text to show you…

Colossians 1:15, 18… The Son is the firstborn of every creature… And he is the firstborn from among the dead.

The word “AND” makes clear that Jesus is both the firstborn of every creature AND t…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

This is what I was first addressing in my next post leading up to Proverbs 8.

1 Chronicles 17, “And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build me an house, and I will s…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

As I am working on my next post to you in response to Proverbs 8 directly,  I decided to check the thread again after my last post.

Scripture doesn’t have to state, when it comes to declaring Jesus as a firstborn, that it is unto the new creation, the context established beforehand makes it completely obvious.

In Revelation 3 just…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Thank you for elaborating more on why you think Proverbs 8:22-31 is specifically speaking about Jesus and addressing the word translated as possessed in verse 22 is inaccurate and should be translated as created.

I can agree that the word created is accurate over that of the word possessed for sure and can see how such definitely helps…[Read more]

We read the GENESIS of Jesus from Matthew declaring him to be the bio son of David.

We read Jesus declaring when he was anointed and when thus him as Christ, was sent out into the world.

We read that Jesus can do nothing of himself and that he was anointed of the Spirit for the purpose to deliver captives, be a savior.

We read that Jesus is the…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

If it’s the last thing I do, lol, it is to get people on this forum to explain how certain scriptures fit into their beliefs once and for all.

It would be nice for Berean to do as you asked, it should be a simple task to show what it is exactly that I am twisting, at the very least he could give us just one example just as you have…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You and many others do well at believing in something completely nonsensical. A godman, as Carmel calls it, is not a human being at all, it would be it’s own kind of being. 

One of Mary’s eggs (23 chromosomes) was fertilized with 23 chromosomes from Joseph, easy task by the power of God’s Holy Spirit and if this is not true then…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

You still have not specifically addressed Matthew and the book of Jesus’s genealogy that he gives us. I will keep waiting patiently.

Hi Berean,

As you say, the first thing I should get is to understand that John 1 teaches that Jesus was God before he took on our humanity. If that were true and the whole bible gives us truth where scripture is all aligned together to give us a deep understanding, then you should be able to directly speak to and explain how it is that Matthew…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: THE SPIRIT OF JESUS WHEN HE DESCENDED FROM HEAVEN TO EARTH IS A SPIRIT OF SACRIFICE AND LOVE OBEDIENCE TO HIS FATHER AND FOR HUMANITY.

ME: Could you please elaborate on this though? Where I am really stuck is with people saying on one hand the child born unto Mary given the name Jesus was of Mary and of the Holy Spirit, making…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for keeping the discussion going!

I will reply to your last post after this one.

Can you specifically speak to the fact that Matthew starts verse 1 with directly telling us that he is giving us the book of Jesus’s genealogy in order to prove exactly how it is that Jesus is thus a bio son of Abraham and a bio son of…[Read more]

Berean,

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

He who was in the form of God was the anointed Jesus and we are reading what his mind was as the anointed Jesus, not as some pre-existing spirit son. 

Jesus said that that Spirit was upon him an…[Read more]

Hi LU,

You have not specifically addressed the text I have asked you to address.

Let’s try again and I will incorporate your questioning as well!

Matthew begins with declaring that he is giving THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN stating that he is a son of Abraham and David, and then he starts with giving the genetic lineage of Abraham where it…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Thanks for joining the conversation my dear!

Please address this specifically, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Matt 1:1 The book of the generation (GENESIS/ORIGIN) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. 2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; 3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of…[Read more]

Carmel,

Go read Genesis 17, Issac is the biological son of Abraham and according to Matthew, Jesus is a biological son of David and of Isaac and of Abraham through Joseph.

Hi Carmel and All,

I am going to bring this back to the Thread Topic.

Matthew 1 directly says this is the GENESIS of Jesus stating he is the son of Abraham and David and then giving us Joseph’s ancestral line! Mathew not only uses GENESIS/ORIGIN at the beginning of listing sons from Abraham to David and so on, but also afterward he uses…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Yes sir, that is correct.

Of course now, from upon his resurrection having received the promised Spirit, he is the invisible image of God.