Hi Mike,

Sorry but you failed again.

PLEASE directly speak to these words,

Matthew 1:1 1 The book of the generation(Genesis/origin) of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob and Jacob begat Judas…..and Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Worry I forgot to include at the beginning of my past post NO, so I went back up and added it.

Hi Mike,

YOU:

“In which part of Jesus’ response, exactly, is Jesus saying he is greater than Abraham? Which exact words?”

“Do you acknowledge that IF we translated the last part of 8:58 as a historical present, the EXACT phrase would be, “before Abraham existed, I existed”? Yes or No, please?”

ME:

Before Abraham was (Ginomai), I am (Eimi…[Read more]

Hi Mike ,

YOU: So I’m not really sure which prophecy specifically about Jesus that Abraham supposedly rejoiced over.

ME:

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Abraham was called a prophet by God in Genesis 20, surely the day that he rejoiced over is the very day we read about in a great number of p…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: And I am unaware of any prophecy Abraham received that spoke of a single person from his seed eventually arising to be a “light” or a “ruler”. I have asked for that scripture, and you have yet to provide it. So I’m not really sure which prophecy specifically about Jesus that Abraham supposedly rejoiced over.

ME:  I have looked int…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

There is a lot to clear up! I want to start with this,

YOU: 4. And is that because the “origin” of an event is not normally counted as the time the event was planned for the future, but the time the event actually began to occur? Yes or No, please?

ME:

My primary stance that I have given  concerning Micah 5:2, is the truth that we r…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

What is illogical, is to be told that we are being given the BOOK of Jesus’s ORIGIN, where then THAT BOOK given goes from Abraham TO JOSEPH, where that BOOK is said to be Jesus’s GENETIC LINE showing that he is a bio son of Abraham and a bio son of David, and then turn and say that Joseph is Jesus’s ADOPTED father.

That’s just not…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

No, it doesn’t refute my argument as you have misunderstood my position.

The seed of Abraham would be the Christ and Christ is a savior and a ruler overall the nations where by this seed of Abraham they are blessed.

Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

No Jesus is not declaring at all that he existed before Abraham in John 8, and such a stance is to ignore all that Jesus said leading up to that verse and not apply a very important fact that God made very clear in a passage that He wants us to know and APPLY to all other scripture under the sun. 

I did speak to this in a recent post…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You are asking that I don’t apply what I know to a passage, take away/hide the truth and understanding I have and then read a passage as if I am blind, that’s ridiculous, that’s a game I don’t want to play with you Mike.

Micah 5:2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come…[Read more]

Good Morning Gene,

I don’t mind at all, thank you!

Hi Mike,

Micah 5:2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his bre…[Read more]

Alrighty, so if I am hearing you right you see Jesus as being born of God as a Son of God 3 times, first overall of the creation that God says will pass away, second when he was born of Mary, and lastly when he rose from the dead.

As you could probably figure at this point, I believe Jesus was born a human, then he was born of the Spirit at the…[Read more]

Oh gosh, I haven’t ever talked to text, lol, that was just my own error. I think it’s weird because I am so use to writing these things and not speaking much that I would almost prefer to write to someone and have them read it and then discuss it, than speak to them directly about it. It comes out clearer and more in depth if I am writing it out.…[Read more]

lol I just realized that I said out ways instead of out weighs, oops. I am sure you knew what I meant 😉

Micah 5:2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days. 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

First off, you STILL have not addressed Matthew 1 and him giving us the BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN, the BOOK OF his GENEA/GENETIC LINE. 

Second, the Gospel writers wrote after the Son of Man ascended to sit at God’s right hand right?

Before he ascended after he rose from the dead Jesus even taught them of the OT scriptures…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Yes, correct the baby Jesus was a son of God just like all mortal humans are, as we all come from Adam, “which was the son of God”.  But he is also the prophesied son of David to whom God promised He would be a Father to, to whom He would not take his mercy away from and to whom He promised He would give him an eternal kingdom and bring…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Glad that is cleared up! This has been my stance for several years now after debating and looking at the surrounding text of Matthew 16 and 18.

Mathew IS NOT teaching us that Joseph is Jesus’s adoptive father, on the contrary, he is giving us THE BOOK OF Jesus’s GENESIS/ORIGIN, the BOOK OF Jesus’s GENEA/GENETIC LINEAGE to show us…[Read more]