Hi Mike,

Thanks for sticking with me and I see you have given many replies, thanks for all your time given to those!

YOU: I agree with what’s left above… and merely point out that it is irrelevant to our discussion. Yes, Jesus was the prophesied coming Messiah. Okay. What light does that shed on whether or not he preexisted?

ME: The main poi…[Read more]

Good Morning Mike,

Hope you are having a good week so far!

Can you explain the below, it was the Son of man that came down from heaven?

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 

The below scriptures apply,

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Do you have any rebuttal to my post that was in response to what you said below,

YOU: “Hence, Jesus was given the name of His Father…YHVH. There is no problem here. He has it in the OT, He is also called “The Word of the LORD” which is seen, felt, heard, and acknowledged as YHVH in the OT”.

ME:

I have more to say regarding your posit…[Read more]

Hi LU,

TITUS,

1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

4 To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

2:13 Looking for that blessed hope,…[Read more]

Hi LU,

You still COMPLETELY IGNORE the very fact that Matthew says he is giving us the genetic line of Jesus and that line that he gives goes from Abraham to Joseph and he even reiterates that line again according to calculating generations of men of the same genes.

As said, everything that the angel told Joseph made it obvious to Joseph that…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

Luke 20: 2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority? 3 And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me: 4 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? 5 And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You gave, John 6:38… For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but to do the will of Him who sent me.

Oh good, we are going to discuss now the sending!

You: The most logical straightforward understanding of these words is that Jesus came down from heaven to do the will of the Father.

ME: 

Truth of a scripture is he…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU:

1.  The “origins” in 5:2 are metaphorical – even though there isn’t any actual indication that they are metaphorical, and even though nobody would ever consider the origin of Israel’s captivity in Egypt, for example, to be the moment God prophesied about it many years before it actually happened.

2.  Jesus spoke in 55, then God sp…[Read more]

Mike,

The scriptures do exist,

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to…[Read more]

Jesus is speaking through/on account of what YHVH had taught him.

Jesus is speaking through/on account of the Spirit of YHVH living in him.

I didn’t speak incorrectly the word through has multiple meanings,

of place
with
in
of time
throughout
during
of means
by
by the means of
through
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
by…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You are trying to claim something ridiculous I never said or meant. 

Jesus says that he speaks according to what the Father has taught him.

You said it, you agree, that Jesus spoke about things that God taught him.

YHVH spoke to Abraham through an angel, Jesus was not there. YHVH, who called Abraham a prophet, taught Jesus that the…[Read more]

Good Morning Mike,

I am really glad that I caught what you said in your last post before I went to post what I had intended to post because it wouldn’t have sat well  due to your lack of knowledge or belief in something clearly laid out as a fundamental truth. I’ve got to change up a bit what I was originally going to post.

Last night I gave…[Read more]

YOU: “In which part of Jesus’ response, exactly, is Jesus saying he is greater than Abraham? Which exact words?”

ME:

I never claimed that Jesus directly said those exact words.

In the passage below when Jesus is asked outright if he is greater than Jacob, he does not directly answer that question. What he does do is declare a truth about who h…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Wow Mike,

YOU: My point was the same as the Jews’ point: How in the world could YOU know such a personal thing about Abraham when you’ve never met him, and such a thing isn’t recorded in scripture?

ME:

First off you want to admit that you are like minded with those who Jesus declared were the sons of the devil, who Jesus said were vipers, hypoc…[Read more]

Hi LU,

YOU:

Believers would not be named YHVH anymore than the members of Israel all being named Israel. They are of Israel and also called Israelites.

Also, many sons have the first name of their father but not all the sons of that father are given the first name of the father.

Hence, Jesus was given the name of His Father…YHVH. There is no p…[Read more]

Hi LU,

Just now noticing that you posted on our discussion!

The fact that we read,

16 And Jacob begat Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

does not mitigate whatsoever that verse 1 tells us that we are being given THE BOOK OF Jesus Christ’s Genesis/origin-ancestry for the very purpose to show that Jesus is…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: Great. I read all your scriptures, and didn’t see any of them that refer to Abraham rejoicing to see Jesus’ day. Just like you finally acknowledged that there are no prophesies to Abraham about a future ruler, you’ll have to honestly acknowledge that there are no scriptures that say Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’ day.

Me: That is wr…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

You don’t think that the day Jesus was talking about that the prophet Abraham saw, was the day spoken of in the below passages?

Malachi 4:1-2 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of hosts, “so tha…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

YOU: Great. I read all your scriptures, and didn’t see any of them that refer to Abraham rejoicing to see Jesus’ day. Just like you finally acknowledged that there are no prophesies to Abraham about a future ruler, you’ll have to honestly acknowledge that there are no scriptures that say Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus’ day.[Read more]