Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 15 2008,23:30)Hi Jodi, Did Jesus not have to overcome?Yes of course Jesus had to overcome, but God knew ahead of time that he would.

Jesus was predestined from the beginning, therefore it would be under God's Will for the conception to take place, so I see it as either He had complete control over the minds of Mary and Joseph to bring them together, or He used the power of the Holy Spirit to cause the conception. The problem I see meerkat, is in many scriptures that discuss the…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 15 2008,22:46)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 16 2008,15:05)Hi mk, If the first Adam was not why must the second Adam be?I'm going to sound like a broken record again, but feel it's important to share for Meerkat's consideration.Adam will need to be adopted (along with the rest of us) into his sonship with God.Jesus belonged at…[Read more]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Dec. 15 2008,16:16)Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 16 2008,11:08)Why couldn't the Holy Spirit produce in Mary a human sperm to fertilize Mary's egg?This would not make him half divine half human, but simply human.Why not just a regular sperm?My answer: because that wouldn't make Jesus God's Son. It would make Jesus some random, human son. Hi…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 10 2008,10:45)Hi Adam,Where I am at the moment is that as well as being the son of David (which has a loophole that Jesus could be the adopted son of Joseph and so, son of David) he is of the seed of David John 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,22:39)John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;Rom 1:4And declared the Son…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,19:01)Jodi,Hmmmmm, I take back what I said about the firstborn being the heir to the throne. David was the youngest son of Jesse and Solomon was not firstborn either ……..Do you know if there is a different word used for the adopted son and the blood son of a father?I'm going to do a bit more thinking/reading…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,15:16)Jodi,From how I see it I really don't think God is worried about “legal” heirs – that is mans traditions. Adultery is wrong not because of legality but because of morality.Nowhere does God say that kings can be adopted, they have to be the firstborn of their actual blood father.Hi Meerkat, I kind of found what…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,14:19)Jodi,Here is some info on pagan virgin mothers of trinitarian gods – the 2 concepts seem to be woven together. http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pcc/pcc11.htmIf you don't like that site you can search for others, if you want to read on it.Thanks for the sites meerkat,I have actually read all about it before, and…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,13:56)Because the Holy Spirit shows truth from error, I seek truth not tradition, I am not saying I have all truth but my desire is for the truth – and when something does not jive with what I am being shown and one scripture does not support another, I will seek until I find not just ignore some scripture. I like…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 09 2008,13:32)Virgin mothers giving birth to divine offspring is of pagan origin.For the sperm to be of the Holy spirit means that the sperm was not of the physical seed of David but divine – so half flesh Mary and half divine HS = pagan god/manHi meerkat, I am going through the site that you gave me. I do see where you are…[Read more]

Hi meerkat,I just got done going back and searching through the 'conception' thread, because I started to remember about the curse of Coniah, which is why God had to intervene with the birth of Jesus. If Jesus was the biological son of Joseph he would receive the curse from being a descendant of Coniah/Jeconiah (Matthew 1 shows Joseph’s b…[Read more]

Quote (meerkat @ Dec. 08 2008,23:18)Nick,How can Jesus be a real ordinary human being if his father was the Holy Spirit – I believe that the trinity doctrine needed for there to be a virgin birth because for Jesus to be God the Son he could not have a mortal father, and a follow on of that is Mary needed to be sinless as well (hence the Roman…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 08 2008,11:41)Hi Jodi, Gene has his own unique ideas but if you are right then a chapter or two of Revelation must be missing.It seems there is no way back from the lake of fire for the liars and whoremongers.Yes, your right, liars and whoremongers don't come out of the Lake of fire, however purified people do.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 08 2008,11:03)HI JOdi, So liars and whoremongers are not liars and whoremongers but only their bodies??Did you fail to read Gene's last post. They go into the lake of fire as liars, murderers etc.., and are refined. What dies is their sinful flesh,their sinful ways.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 08 2008,10:40)Hi , Rev 21 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.Yes, it is the death of ALL sinful flesh.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 08 2008,10:03)To all………The lake of fire is Symbolic for (intense Judgments) it is not a literal fire. Look at the first paragraph of Revelations, the word signified it literally means (he symbolized it). Jesus said for you (ALL) shall be salted with Fire, Fire is used because it is symbolic of purification, Gold,…[Read more]

Thank you Meerkat, these are good scriptures.1 Corinthians 3:11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be…[Read more]

Quote (Shania @ Dec. 07 2008,23:13)Lets please try not to namecall other's perception's of the Almighty.ex: “Your god is a pathetic looser.”What if you were wrong? Could you stand before Him if He questioned you about this? Even if your brother is wrong, he is still your brother. We need to have patience and humility with each other.Shania I am…[Read more]

Quote (Shania @ Dec. 07 2008,22:59)Quote (Jodi @ Dec. 09 2008,09:34)Hi Shania,The worm and the fire consume the sinful flesh until all sin has been removed, your RIGHT it is simple. YHWH said He was longsuffering towards us not willing that anyone should perish, therefore it is the sinful flesh that is destroyed!“until all sin has been removed”It…[Read more]