Hi Desire Truth,

Love your “word study” idea! I will do that!

To All,

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

The heart of John 1 is God’s word made true in the man of flesh Jesus of Nazareth when the Spirit came and descended upon him like a dove.

JOHN 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said…[Read more]

John 3

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

John 16: 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

There is ONLY ONE sending of God’ Son into the world. I already gave you in my first post how it is that Jesus is God’s Son, he was born of the Spirit. Furthermore, as he was the only mortal man to have been born of the Spirit without measure, called to righteousness, by such he was God’s only begotten Son.

My position is that in all…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Thanks for posting on this topic!

I will respond directly to your post incorporating the scriptures you cited, but I would like to see you respond specifically to those I sighted in my first post and see you counter the position I gave that was based from them. That would be much appreciated!

Hi Berean,

ME:

IN Christ Jesus were all things created, they were created by reason of him and for him.

YOU:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

I think it’s funny how you said “no argument”!

YOU:

Jesus Christ is the Word of God, the son of God, the son of Man, the final Adam, lord, savior and messiah. That is how you account for it. He was with God, came in the flesh, and is back with God in the glory he had before the cosmos. And we know that the Word was WITH God…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

As I have pointed out before, the context of the entire chapter of Colossians 1, Paul is speaking of just ONE creation, the one that he who shed his blood became firstborn of.

Leading up to Paul speaking of a firstborn overall creation we read,

5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

EN- translated as “in” 1874 times

For IN Jesus were all things created

Look at what Paul teaches in some of his other passages,

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say,<span style=”color: #ff0000;”> that…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

16 For by reason of him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by reason of him, and for him:

Jesus didn’t MAKE himself lord nor MAKE himself a king of kings, YHVH our Father did, so it’s…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU: “Dia” means “through” when used with a genitive noun and “because of” or “on account of” when used with an accusative noun.

ME: I read through your post and studied further genitive and accusative as well as the different autos and I am not seeing anything at all that discredits my position.

Furthermore, “dia” means “through”…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

YOU:

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the…[Read more]

Hi Proclaimer,

YOU: How do you deal with this scripture without writing an essay and skirting the issue?

John 6:62
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

Jesus is clearly stating here that he came from above since he eventually ascended into Heaven to be at the right-hand of God.

ME: Jesus is speaking about his…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Christ, the anointed Jesus of Nazareth who shed his blood but was resurrected from the dead is before all things and in him all things consist.

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the BEGINNING, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Clarification, I do not believe that Christ “came from below”.  Christ came directly FROM YHVH, directly thus FROM HEAVEN and such was a fulfilled promise spoken by the prophets that was YHVH’s WORD before the world began. 

There exists ONLY ONE SENDING of the Anointed Jesus, ONLY ONE SENDING out into the world of an only begotten S…[Read more]

Good Morning Berean,

I appreciate you coming forward to say directly that nothing will change your belief, that is nice to know. Your ability to defend your belief as God’s truth however I would say is very much lacking though.

You say, “but there is more” as if we haven’t been debating already about Colossians 1. Why do you do that, why must…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Concerning verse 1:17 of Colossians that you previously provided,

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness…[Read more]