Lightenup please tell me how the word firstborn does not literal mean to be born first among another or others? You have your firstborn child or you have your ONLY CHILD. Jesus would be called only child.

Scripture tells us however the following,

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his S…[Read more]

One huge problem you have Nick is that you are under the impression that scripture shows that demons manipulate you into sinning.

Read every scripture that speaks of demons, and you will see there is NOT one verse that speaks of that which you say.

What you will find in the passages that speak of demons is,

Demons as in unclean spirit that…[Read more]

Nick explain how the below scripture is NOT informing us that false gods and their demons are the works of man’s hands and have no power?

Revelation 9: 20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone…[Read more]

Nick, once again I will state that I am not yet speaking about scripture that speaks of REAL unclean spirits, I am speaking of the scriptures that speak of fake ones. You are not discussing  the scriptures I gave of which speak of fake demons, why are you so bent on AVOIDING this??

Nick you can’t seriously be ignorant enough to believe that the heathens did not believe in FAKE gods and FAKE DEMONS???

We are told that the heathen beliefs were false because they were FAKE, that which they believed in had no POWER.

The word in English “demon” in scripture comes from the Greek daimon, daimonion, or daimonizomai.

These were in…[Read more]

Nick, I have not given anything theoretical please be specific in what you accuse me of, I gave scripture that combines demons and idols together as being fake.

Your statement tells me you are not bothering to READ the scriptures that I have given.

Nick,

I am disappointed in your response and how it does not address what I have put forward.

I have yet to discuss the unclean spirits that are in fact real, and was hoping that we could reach common ground with us both recognizing that there are doctrines of demons/unclean spirits that are nothing but fables.

I am asking that you acknowledge…[Read more]

Hi Nick,

You said, “Man, in his vanity, is unaware of being manipulated to teach these doctrines of demons.”

The passages I have given do not mention one word of manipulation other than coming from one man to another man. Likewise the passages I gave speak of their fake visions and doctrines as coming from within themselves.

I am against them…[Read more]

If we can move forward in our discussions recognizing that there are true unclean spirits and that scripture also discusses fake unclean spirits that have no power, that would be good!

I’d like to start out using the below scripture again, so that we can recognize that what is fake is not just the heathen creations made out of wood, brass, and…[Read more]

Nick and Anthony your understanding of 1 timothy 4 and 1 Corinthians 10, if I have it correctly, is that the doctrines of devils/demons/unclean spirits, are doctrines that came to man by the influence of crafty devils/demons/unclean spirits. I would like you to read these passages again carefully and consider what I say about them.

1 Timothy 4:1…[Read more]

Lightenup,

You said,

“1 Cor 8
…5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom allthings came and through whom we exist. 7B…

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Lightenup,

As I said before stick to scripture and not the works of murders who killed those who confessed the truth and argued against this creed.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might BE the firstborn among many brethren.

Colossons 1:14 In whom we have redemption…[Read more]

Lightenup you gave,

“John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

The next chapter we see two called Jehovah:

Gen 19:24 Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven;

There is more too.”

When it says that Jehov…[Read more]

Thanks Gene and Nick too,  for your encouraging words!

Lightenup I think you missed the entire point, Isaac was called the “only begotten son”, however he was the SECOND born child to Abraham.

I Corinthians 15 describes two types of human beings represented in two sons

FIRST COMES Earthly, Adam, able to die, of which Jesus was also

SECOND Heavenly, Jesus, firstborn of the dead, first to be given…[Read more]

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup,

Jesus never raised himself from the dead, Romans 1 clearly tells us that the Father did, and Romans 1 also without a doubt identifies Jehovah from Jeremiah 23 as the Father, so my point was to show how incorrect it is to say that Jesus is Jehovah, it’s as incorrect as saying Jesus raised himself from the dead. I can add further, if…[Read more]

The words in scripture of Jesus being SENT, is not as a pre-existing being having been sent down from heaven and turned into an embryo inside a woman.

When Jesus grew in grace and knowledge and was well pleasing to God, and the time that was ripe that God foreknew would come, God’s Spirit came down from heaven and anointed Jesus. From that TIME…[Read more]

Hi Lightenup,

Jeremiah 23:

5Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.

6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our…[Read more]