Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
TC,
Jesus received the Spirit without measure upon his baptism at the river and the Spirit gave him the power to perform miracles and heal, it made him full of the knowledge of the Lord, where he could speak God’s words, he could read the hearts and minds of the people. That Spirit gave him strength where he was able to follow God’s will unto his…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi TC,
READ, you are GREATLY misinterpreting verse 26 and applying it to the wrong people.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her,Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Truthcomber,
READ Romans 8!
Our bodies are subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives LIFE because of righteousness. Our hope is in that God will give LIFE to our mortal bodies making them immortal. Paul said they that have the firstfruits of the Spirit groan waiting for the redemption of their bodies. This redemption comes as Paul…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Truthcomber posted,
“You: 1 Thes 4:16… and the dead in Christ will rise first…
Me: Click on the link below. Then click on 450 above “will rise”.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_thessalonians/4-16.htm
The best fitting definition to the whole scheme presented is:
c. to raise up, cause to be born: σπέρμα offspring (Genesis 38:8), Matthew 22:24…[Read more]Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Truthcomber,
Gene said it correctly,
Because a man sins he DIES, but Jesus wiped our sins clean so that even though man dies he may LIVE AGAIN. Through Jesus COMES THE RESURRECTION from the dead. Through Jesus comes the resurrection unto eternal LIFE. The DEAD have LIFE through the resurrection, there is NO LIFE until then for the dead.…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Truthcomber,
In my opinion from what I read from scripture I believe you are denying scripture.
You said, “Me: They are put to death as far as we can see their bodies.
2 Cor 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”If you read all of Paul’s words from other passages you can…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Truthcomber,
3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body. 4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. 5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Good Morning Truthcomber,
You are denying IMO what is clearly written, and misunderstanding other passages to fit that which you deny.
Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: 26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
Jesus saved us from the law of sin and death, and what that equates to is that even though we shall die we shall be made alive again.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
All die, except…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi TruthComber,
Please consider the following passages, as I believe you are incorrect.
1 Thess 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the L…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Nick,
God designed the human spirit, He gave it a mind of its own and an imagination. He also made the human spirit to be influential, it can be influenced by it’s own thoughts or other human beings, and it can be influenced by God. A person who is not called who is not the elect of the first calling, is left to his own devices and the devices of…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Nick,
The Spirit of Life represents God’s ability to create another living thing. God created us giving us our own spirit, our own mind. God gives our spirit gifts of His Spirit, wisdom, understanding, patience, kindness, goodness. Without God’s mercy giving man these gifts we would be ignorant and foolish.
The Spirit of Life is God’s…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Nick you are denying scripture,
READ it AGAIN,
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance* of wheat, or of some other grain:
38…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Lu,
Speaking of David, Acts 13:23 “From this man’s descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised. 24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel.
LU your belief does not exist in the passage above, the PROMISE that God had made was not in a pre-existing son, but in a d…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Good Morning LU,
How is God born? That makes no sense, God is not born, He does not change, He is NOT to be made into an image of MAN, nor is He able to be TEMPTED.
As you know there is no passage that says Jesus is the “only begotten God” that is your addition.
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
You are WRONG Nick they saw him in his glory not in his old flesh. You are just making up your own passages now and deny Paul??
1 Corinthians 15, please try and explain it away??
You seem to completely DENY his resurrection and how he was RAISED in GLORY and POWER, that he was RAISED a spiritual body, and how people witnessed Jesus being…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Nick,
Jesus was raised in his glory and that glory was a body of flesh and bones that could not die. We are CREATED beings, and God gives created beings different bodies as He wills and designs. We don’t take on the same body as God, and angels do not have the same body as God, and Jesus does not have the same body as angels! You are hung up on…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Nick,
If you read through the ample amount of scriptures that use the words soul and spirit in it you will discover a few things. You deny these scriptures still.
I have already showed you through scripture that the words soul and spirit are used interchangeably. You have YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS it seems. In scripture they are used to represent…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
Hi Anthony and t8,
I think that this passage gives light of Paul’s words in 2 Corinthians 5,
4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 7 months ago
t8 you seem to deny that Jesus was a human that was perfected through suffering. That perfection was made when a sinless man showed his unrelenting faith in God as he hung on the cross. Without that perfecting of a HUMAN BEING that occurred after his anointing God would not have the perfect human sacrifice needed to pay for our sins.
We are not…[Read more]
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