Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hi The Word’s Watchmen,
You said, “You have freewill, it comes from God. You decide whether to believe or not believe, it’s your choice. As Jesus chose “not my will but your’s”. Accusing God of evil is one of the greatest tricks the devil uses to deceive people.”
The words translated good and evil is function and dysfunction according to ancient…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hi Anthony,
Galatians 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say “and to seeds,” as though referring to many, but and to your seed, referring to one, who is Christ.
17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hello The Word’s Watchman,
I’d like to discuss the adversary with you on another thread. but I will give you a run down here of my understanding. There is no adversary that got kicked out of God’s literal abode. In order to be in God’s literal presence you have to be perfected. When Jesus said that man will be like the angels no longer able to…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Cheers to you The Word’s Watchman, and welcome!
You are correct, if Jesus were God what he accomplished would not be something to behold, likewise if he were some pre-existing already perfected son of God not only what he accomplished would be nothing to behold but neither would be the the work that God accomplished through him. The Gospel is…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hi Anthony,
“He is before all things and in him all things hold together.”
This is speaking of the man that was perfected who brings eternal life because of his shed blood. This is not speaking of a pre-existing son.
I will continue to use Colossians over and over, as all of it applies to a man God perfected and raised from the dead and gave…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hi Anthony,
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
To All,
John 10: 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
John 20: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Ephesians 4: 13 Till we all come in the…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 5 months ago
Hi Anthony,
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
WHO is the image of the invisible God???? The ONE who was perfected through suffering who brought redemption through his blood that is WHO!! He is the image of the…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Hi Ed J,
Minor details in this passage make a difference.
As you know, Micah is giving a prophecy. He is speaking of a FUTURE ruler over Israel that would come, and he would not just be from the tribe of Judah but more specifically from the people of Bethlehem. This MAN that will come forth in the future out of Bethlehem, was not a new thing…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Ed J,
The COMING FORTH of the one that would be ruler in Israel is from ancient days, not the person from ancient days, but the coming forth of that person came from ancient days. I gave the scripture that said that God declared the end before the beginning even occurred. Think about that for a moment!! The one that sits at the right hand of…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick,
The problem you have with your belief is that you do not have a scripture to back it up, and scripture actually speaks against you.
Give me some scriptures that show Jesus was given an entirely different kind of body after he ascended to heaven to sit at God’s right hand.
1 Corinthians 15 speaks of the BODY and it being raised up in…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
TC,
There is not a scripture that says that we will have bodies like angels, we are told that we are not able to die anymore like the angels. Just because we are not able to die anymore like the angels does NOT equate to we will have the same body as them. We are told directly the OPPOSITE actually.
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Gene, thank you brother!
Just finished a bible study reviewing a few things,
For All,
Isaiah 7 teaches the purpose of the virgin birth, it was for a sign to the house of David, as at the time of Isaiah the house of David felt threatened to be taken over by the house of Ephraim. God said that it would not stand. He gave a sign so that the house…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Hi TC,
AFTER Jesus was anointed at the river, and was SENT out into the world to preach and heal, He was THEN called and recognized as a son of God by the people. Israel had been waiting for a MESSIAH, one anointed out of their brethren, they knew he was to be of the seed of David, and that God said that of this person’s seed God would be a…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Does anyone recognize the profound difference between reading The Son in verse 15 as an IMAGE of a spirit that existed before the earth was made, verses an IMAGE of a human being whom God perfected and had given eternal life to?
How about the difference between believing that God created the earth for a spirit son, or believing that God created…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 7 years, 6 months ago
Good Morning All,
Things just don’t add up as many speak on this thread.
Jesus reads from Isaiah 42, he recognizes that he is the one whom “God would not give His glory to any other”. That glory being spoken of is described as what John speaks of in 3:34, having been given God’s Spirit without measure. Jesus proclaims the prophet’s words are…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick,
I think we should take a look at the entire chapter of Romans 11!
Read it carefully Nick, and if you wouldn’t mind give us a summary of it’s message, so that we may have the CONTEXT you spoke about to Gene for verse 32.
Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
Nick,
I just gave you scripture and you did not address them. God has mercy on whom He chooses to have mercy, those who did not receive his mercy we see Paul tell us do SERVE a purpose in order for God to perform His plan. What was that purpose?
We are told that purpose, “What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endur…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Firstborn of/over all creation in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
Hi Nick,
You said, ”
Hi Anthony,
Your teaching of universalism denies the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It denies the worth of his suffering and his death for us.
It denies the salvation plan of God.
It is of the pit.”
Jesus died for the unrighteous, don’t forget that!! He died so that ALL could be resurrected, don’t forget that…[Read more]
Jodi replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 7 years, 6 months ago
Zech 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto…[Read more]
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